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The whole point is that journal prestige is harmful and fake. It's prestige by association. That's not how science should work.
by ttpphd 4y ago
The whole point is that journal prestige is harmful and fake. It's prestige by association. That's not how science should work.
- seydor 4y agoThe problem is that science has not figured out how to work without this system.
- atdrummond 4y agoSure it has. The modern “scientific publishing” industry is much younger than science.
- f6v 4y agoBeing able to produce a bazzilion papers of low quality is also new.
- Vinnl 4y agoYeah, it's the formal academic hiring system that hasn't yet figured out how to work without this. But of course, that's what eLife is trying to figure out: they're trying to separate recognition (in the published assessment) from publication. The big question will be whether those assessments will be able to play that role in academic rewards, because that's the root of the incentive system that preserves the status quo.
- ttpphd 4y agoLolol Yeah we have. It's called reading the paper and applying judgement.
- warkdarrior 4y agoIn some fields, there are thousands of submissions daily to Arxiv. Good luck staying up to date.
- ttpphd 4y agoThat's not a problem to be fixed through fake journal prestige.
- tpoacher 4y agoMaybe you do that. But my HR department which made me write "publish X papers in top-tier journals (see list)" as a condition in my probation agreement most certainly does not. And alas, as long as I'm under probation, their opinion carries far more weight in the debate than any moral argument you could come up with.
- ttpphd 4y agoYes I do that, thank you. Thanks for clearly stating how journal prestige is harmful to academics and scientists.
- tpoacher 4y agoI didn't say I disagreed with you, let alone I approve of this situation. The point was that utopian idealism that ignores reality on the ground is not as useful as you might think. Your comment was as useful as me saying if I was president I'd give people free money.
- seydor 4y agoWhen was the last time you were hired like that?
- ttpphd 4y agoAbout 8 months ago :)
- f6v 4y ago> It's called reading the paper and applying judgement. Many important papers these days are interdisciplinary. Like, medical students doing bioinformatics and data analysis. But it’s impossible to be proficient in all the methods. So, many parts of these papers are impossible to assess for a wide audience, trust and faith in a journal quality becomes most important.