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I don't see how Google can get any kind of market share if all they offer is an API behind a waiting list. OpenAI understands this. They provide a simple chat

I don't see how Google can get any kind of market share if all they offer is an API behind a waiting list. OpenAI understands this. They provide a simple chat interface to interact with their language model that even my grandparents can use. Midjourney understands this too. The Discord interface is a bit awkward to use, but the fact that any Discord user can instantly become a Midjourney user was a brilliant idea. Google, on the other hand, is only targeting a tiny subset of all people, namely those who can make use of an API and want to sign up for its cloud offerings. Is there any (ex?) Googler here who can explain why Google keeps squandering its immense technological advantage over its competitors again and again?

rockwotj 4y ago
You're comparing a startup to a large corporation. My assumption here is that Google is terrified of the legal issues of raw interactions with an LLM and it saying something wrong or hateful. In terms of search it has a lot to lose if they mess up and start saying wrong things. Bing on the other hand is not the core of Microsoft and can be more tolerant of risk. That being said I've seen plenty of instances of Bing supposedly being hateful, wrong or gaslighting folks. IE: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/15/23599072/microsoft-ai-bing-personality-conversations-spy-employees-webcams https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/15/23599072/microsoft-ai-bin...
flashgordon 4y ago
I won't give you the welcome to google spiel. There are a couple of reasons for this imo: * Most things are built off the internal codebase/repo (only android and a couple of others afair has it's own repo/independent setup). So when exposing something to the public not only does it have to go through layers of legal/compliance processes, it also has to go through "uniformity" processes. * Engineers don't just build mvps, they try to build the perfect thing where every thing integrates with everything (or there needs to be a road map for this). * Everything has to be an API first, uis are thrown on top of things. While these aren't bad engineering philosophies these add up and need to intrinsically build and maintain umpteen layers of decorator/bridge patterns everywhere. Now combine all this where you don't have the luxury of being the first person in the market but are reacting to a sudden competitive pressure. Lots of processes to undo or get around!

rockwotj 4y ago

You're comparing a startup to a large corporation. My assumption here is that Google is terrified of the legal issues of raw interactions with an LLM and it saying something wrong or hateful. In terms of search it has a lot to lose if they mess up and start saying wrong things. Bing on the other hand is not the core of Microsoft and can be more tolerant of risk. That being said I've seen plenty of instances of Bing supposedly being hateful, wrong or gaslighting folks. IE: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/15/23599072/microsoft-ai-bing-personality-conversations-spy-employees-webcams https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/15/23599072/microsoft-ai-bin...

flashgordon 4y ago

I won't give you the welcome to google spiel. There are a couple of reasons for this imo: * Most things are built off the internal codebase/repo (only android and a couple of others afair has it's own repo/independent setup). So when exposing something to the public not only does it have to go through layers of legal/compliance processes, it also has to go through "uniformity" processes. * Engineers don't just build mvps, they try to build the perfect thing where every thing integrates with everything (or there needs to be a road map for this). * Everything has to be an API first, uis are thrown on top of things. While these aren't bad engineering philosophies these add up and need to intrinsically build and maintain umpteen layers of decorator/bridge patterns everywhere. Now combine all this where you don't have the luxury of being the first person in the market but are reacting to a sudden competitive pressure. Lots of processes to undo or get around!