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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons Climate change, plastics, antibiotic resistance, huge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons Climate change, plastics, antibiotic resistance, huge budget deficits, etc. We create all sorts of problems in society. We can’t seem to connect the dots… https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vinyl-chloride-ohio-train-derailment-thousands-pounds-released-annually-plastics/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vinyl-chloride-ohio-train-derai... Our inflation problem was avoidable too but everyone wanted cheap money for way too long.

DesiLurker 4y ago
Right, As I often say, tragedy of commons will turn out to be our great filter. Not just at individual level but every level up including city, state & nations. It works great for when the problems faced are aligned with individual short term best interests not so well when collective action is needed.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  It’s not just tragedy of the commons, it’s also a lack of collective will to not keep borrowing from the future and kicking the can. Debt, the biome, economic systems depending on never ending growth and an ever growing population pyramid. There is no incentive to think long term and preserve for tomorrow. This will catch up to us eventually, and ignorance will be plead.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  regulated and science-based Forestry seems to have destroyed thousands of years of forest growth in less than a hundred years of English command, here in California. Nothing about it was 'commons' .. Secondly, the largest polluter of the Pacific Ocean has been the US Navy, on shore and off.. also fully 'not commons' Let's ignore the politics and look with a science lense at what is really going on?
  - DesiLurker 4y ago
    but Politics IS what is going on here. we can fix climate change with some effort. we can also fix biodiversity loss & most social issues with some restructuring. the problem is that those who stand to lose are the ones politicizing this to ensure that a consensus does not arise. Read 'Dark Money' by Jane Mayer if you have doubts. In light of so much manipulation I think its rather Naive to say that 'I dont wanna get political', No lets get political because the science is settled.
ck2 4y ago
It's simply about profit with cutting any corners for more. It's one thing when a single person does it, entirely something else when millionaires and billionaires do it at a corporate level. Cruise Ships are burning bunker fuel to this day, dumping tons of toxic mess into the oceans and atmosphere. Fracking burn off has been going on for over two decades (around for a century but didn't take off until 20 years ago) Super dooper nasty stuff being dumped into all the freshwater in the USA and around the world. People see climate change as linear but just like pollution buildup, it's exponential. Isn't the "point of no return" projected around 2040? What if it's really 2030 but even if 2040, what exactly is going to change in that time?

DesiLurker 4y ago

Right, As I often say, tragedy of commons will turn out to be our great filter. Not just at individual level but every level up including city, state & nations. It works great for when the problems faced are aligned with individual short term best interests not so well when collective action is needed.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
It’s not just tragedy of the commons, it’s also a lack of collective will to not keep borrowing from the future and kicking the can. Debt, the biome, economic systems depending on never ending growth and an ever growing population pyramid. There is no incentive to think long term and preserve for tomorrow. This will catch up to us eventually, and ignorance will be plead.
mistrial9 4y ago
regulated and science-based Forestry seems to have destroyed thousands of years of forest growth in less than a hundred years of English command, here in California. Nothing about it was 'commons' .. Secondly, the largest polluter of the Pacific Ocean has been the US Navy, on shore and off.. also fully 'not commons' Let's ignore the politics and look with a science lense at what is really going on?
- DesiLurker 4y ago
  but Politics IS what is going on here. we can fix climate change with some effort. we can also fix biodiversity loss & most social issues with some restructuring. the problem is that those who stand to lose are the ones politicizing this to ensure that a consensus does not arise. Read 'Dark Money' by Jane Mayer if you have doubts. In light of so much manipulation I think its rather Naive to say that 'I dont wanna get political', No lets get political because the science is settled.

ck2 4y ago

It's simply about profit with cutting any corners for more. It's one thing when a single person does it, entirely something else when millionaires and billionaires do it at a corporate level. Cruise Ships are burning bunker fuel to this day, dumping tons of toxic mess into the oceans and atmosphere. Fracking burn off has been going on for over two decades (around for a century but didn't take off until 20 years ago) Super dooper nasty stuff being dumped into all the freshwater in the USA and around the world. People see climate change as linear but just like pollution buildup, it's exponential. Isn't the "point of no return" projected around 2040? What if it's really 2030 but even if 2040, what exactly is going to change in that time?