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> I don’t understand why MS doesn’t get some sort of internal revolt. My understanding is that they did, around Windows 8 or so, and all the people who had scr

> I don’t understand why MS doesn’t get some sort of internal revolt. My understanding is that they did, around Windows 8 or so, and all the people who had scruples about the desktop experience left and were replaced by people who don't mind earning their pay check by making the world a worse place.

fuzzfactor 4y ago
>people who don't mind earning their pay check by making the world a worse place. Yikes, you could be correct. Is this re-Ballmerizing? Wasn't that supposed to be off the table a while ago? Not only Edge, Windows itself is acting uglier every time too. Some of my scientific instruments are over 20 years old and going strong, a few still supported by the latest Windows software from the original vendors. Now some of the new instruments do have lab functions the old ones never will but at least the old ones are on equal footing as data peripherals when you are sitting at a Windows 11 PC. But the very oldest used to work with Windows 98 and Windows XP originally. These things have always had some pretty demanding software, and before installing, the factory instructions had a few paragraphs you were advised to follow in order to configure Windows so it wouldn't have badly compromised performance. You needed to manually disable a number of underlying Windows processes that were totally un-needed by the task at hand, if not highly detrimental. It took about 10 minutes to go through the list and then the high-dollar software installed in 85 MB and worked really snappy on a 300 MHz processor. To run the same old instrument now there are fully updated drivers for the new factory software so the readings can keep coming in to the PC at the same old 100 MB ethernet speed, including all the latest data integrity features from that point which didn't exist originally for these type analyzers. It really does work and it is fully validated on Windows 11, but before it installs it autoruns a script which takes half an hour on a 3GHz PC in order to disable all the detrimental Windows defaults these days. It would take you hours if you wanted to do this manually. Before it unzips its 10 GB package of goodness, which now runs like a dog on a dedicated near-gaming PC, compared to the number of clicks-per-minute you could get 20 years ago on a Windows 98 office machine. For the same raw data being processed the same way which is basically both the state-of-the-art at the time. "Slowing down the speed of scientific progress one Windows version at a time." Now I like Edge since I only use it offline, to open PDF's and web files like HTML help documents.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  It really does work and it is fully validated on Windows 11, but before it installs it autoruns a script which takes half an hour on a 3GHz PC in order to disable all the detrimental Windows defaults these days. Interesting. I've never heard of a commercial product shipping with its own Windows decrapifying script. Any chance this script is available publicly? We build similar things (relatively high-end instrumentation that needs to stream a lot of data to the PC), and have similar customers with similar problems.
  - fuzzfactor 4y ago
    I have been wondering if I could find the script in the installed folders. I'll have to check on Monday.

fuzzfactor 4y ago

>people who don't mind earning their pay check by making the world a worse place. Yikes, you could be correct. Is this re-Ballmerizing? Wasn't that supposed to be off the table a while ago? Not only Edge, Windows itself is acting uglier every time too. Some of my scientific instruments are over 20 years old and going strong, a few still supported by the latest Windows software from the original vendors. Now some of the new instruments do have lab functions the old ones never will but at least the old ones are on equal footing as data peripherals when you are sitting at a Windows 11 PC. But the very oldest used to work with Windows 98 and Windows XP originally. These things have always had some pretty demanding software, and before installing, the factory instructions had a few paragraphs you were advised to follow in order to configure Windows so it wouldn't have badly compromised performance. You needed to manually disable a number of underlying Windows processes that were totally un-needed by the task at hand, if not highly detrimental. It took about 10 minutes to go through the list and then the high-dollar software installed in 85 MB and worked really snappy on a 300 MHz processor. To run the same old instrument now there are fully updated drivers for the new factory software so the readings can keep coming in to the PC at the same old 100 MB ethernet speed, including all the latest data integrity features from that point which didn't exist originally for these type analyzers. It really does work and it is fully validated on Windows 11, but before it installs it autoruns a script which takes half an hour on a 3GHz PC in order to disable all the detrimental Windows defaults these days. It would take you hours if you wanted to do this manually. Before it unzips its 10 GB package of goodness, which now runs like a dog on a dedicated near-gaming PC, compared to the number of clicks-per-minute you could get 20 years ago on a Windows 98 office machine. For the same raw data being processed the same way which is basically both the state-of-the-art at the time. "Slowing down the speed of scientific progress one Windows version at a time." Now I like Edge since I only use it offline, to open PDF's and web files like HTML help documents.

CamperBob2 4y ago
It really does work and it is fully validated on Windows 11, but before it installs it autoruns a script which takes half an hour on a 3GHz PC in order to disable all the detrimental Windows defaults these days. Interesting. I've never heard of a commercial product shipping with its own Windows decrapifying script. Any chance this script is available publicly? We build similar things (relatively high-end instrumentation that needs to stream a lot of data to the PC), and have similar customers with similar problems.
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  I have been wondering if I could find the script in the installed folders. I'll have to check on Monday.