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It helps to read TOS/EULA/etc. If you agree to something then you shouldn't be complaining about it.

by favaq 4y ago

alpaca128 4y ago
No. In many places getting consent by deceptive/malicious means is illegal, and EULAs cannot override laws. That's why Google's cookie popups now have a "reject all" button after a $170 million fine.
macintux 4y ago
10 years ago it would take a month of workdays. I have to imagine it's much worse now. https://www.techdirt.com/2012/04/23/to-read-all-privacy-policies-you-encounter-youd-need-to-take-month-off-work-each-year/ https://www.techdirt.com/2012/04/23/to-read-all-privacy-poli...
- favaq 4y ago
  Then don't use the software, you can't just sign a contract and then back off because you didn't have time to read it before you signed it.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    Interestingly, when I booted up a Win10 VM (with internet access) a few weeks ago some Edge window appeared, took over the screen, and wanted to force me to go through their preferences/setup wizard. By "force" I mean "giving no other options". No "skip", "do it later" (or similar), and no way to quit. Had to outright kill the task in the windows process manager, as there's zero chance I want anything to do with Edge. So "don't use the software" is workable for people who know how to kill tasks. But MS will be pulling that shit on average consumers too.
- omoikane 4y ago
  There is a website that summarizes terms of services: https://tosdr.org/ https://tosdr.org/ The about page says it started in June 2012, shortly after that techdirt article.
justinclift 4y ago
Oh, there's no chance in hell I'll ever use Edge personally. Learned a long, long time ago not to trust MS.
otikik 4y ago
Well I have an EULA in my living room closet that allows everyone who wants to complain. If you don’t agree you can find my closet and write your name on the exception list. You must use Cyrillic letters.
_piif 4y ago
Yes, have us let tech giants see how much dystopian shit they can get away with without any kind of pushback because their ToS has a vague remark at page 30 that might grant them the ability to do so. That is the kind of future we want.
CatWChainsaw 4y ago
I think you realize how unrealistic and out of touch that is, and just take pleasure in being a pill.

It helps to read TOS/EULA/etc. If you agree to something then you shouldn't be complaining about it.

by favaq 4y ago

It helps to read TOS/EULA/etc. If you agree to something then you shouldn't be complaining about it.

No. In many places getting consent by deceptive/malicious means is illegal, and EULAs cannot override laws. That's why Google's cookie popups now have a "reject all" button after a $170 million fine.

macintux 4y ago

10 years ago it would take a month of workdays. I have to imagine it's much worse now. https://www.techdirt.com/2012/04/23/to-read-all-privacy-policies-you-encounter-youd-need-to-take-month-off-work-each-year/ https://www.techdirt.com/2012/04/23/to-read-all-privacy-poli...

favaq 4y ago
Then don't use the software, you can't just sign a contract and then back off because you didn't have time to read it before you signed it.
- justinclift 4y ago
  Interestingly, when I booted up a Win10 VM (with internet access) a few weeks ago some Edge window appeared, took over the screen, and wanted to force me to go through their preferences/setup wizard. By "force" I mean "giving no other options". No "skip", "do it later" (or similar), and no way to quit. Had to outright kill the task in the windows process manager, as there's zero chance I want anything to do with Edge. So "don't use the software" is workable for people who know how to kill tasks. But MS will be pulling that shit on average consumers too.
omoikane 4y ago
There is a website that summarizes terms of services: https://tosdr.org/ https://tosdr.org/ The about page says it started in June 2012, shortly after that techdirt article.

justinclift 4y ago

Oh, there's no chance in hell I'll ever use Edge personally. Learned a long, long time ago not to trust MS.

otikik 4y ago

Well I have an EULA in my living room closet that allows everyone who wants to complain. If you don’t agree you can find my closet and write your name on the exception list. You must use Cyrillic letters.

_piif 4y ago

Yes, have us let tech giants see how much dystopian shit they can get away with without any kind of pushback because their ToS has a vague remark at page 30 that might grant them the ability to do so. That is the kind of future we want.

CatWChainsaw 4y ago

I think you realize how unrealistic and out of touch that is, and just take pleasure in being a pill.