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Since KDE is shipped with build in telemetry now I can't recommend it to anyone. Opt-in or not, I've seen this game played before and it never ends well.

• dale_glass 4y ago
  Meaning? Okay, I get the privacy concern, but "never ends well"?
  • Forestessential 4y ago
    When your machine metrics are recorded it is much like a fingerprint. Who is tracking you can sell to you better, which by definition means you get a worse deal. Also you are better surveyed for how you can be used. You think KDE doesn't have people who do this? IT-sort of people on the internet: "Security is very important. We dont want to get hacked" Also IT-sort of poeple on the internet: "Why are you paranoid of a tech company is collecting your data? You really think they are gonna hack you?" Also others in the field: We need Intrusion Prevention Software, IDS, pfSence firewall, etc... So we can be safe from hackers while our machines host extra automated services we dont need, among reasons.
    • dale_glass 4y ago
      > When your machine metrics are recorded it is much like a fingerprint. Who is tracking you can sell to you better, which by definition means you get a worse deal. Also you are better surveyed for how you can be used. KDE e.V. is a registered non-profit, I don't think this would be legal for them. > You think KDE doesn't have people who do this? No, because it's not a commercial company. I do think they have an interest in collecting metrics because really it can be very hard to get useful information otherwise. In something of the scale of KDE it's going to be hard to determine which parts of it get the most use, and what crashes in some particularly weird circumstances. In fact for instance I recall KDE upset quite a few people when at one point Kate lost the project functionality -- apparently the KDE devs didn't realize that the function was actually quite widely used. If you don't have data on this kind of thing it can be hard to figure out a good way forward.
• Forestessential 4y ago
  KDE used to be so bloated and monolithic and really what i think changed is faster machines and a much more minimalistic/cleaner design. Thanks for mentioning this. XFCE is what ill stick with
• ognarb 4y ago
  KDE telemetry is strictly opt in. Some distro like openSUSE even disable it completely. We don't nage you into enabling them. KDE is a non profit, we won't sell any data and only wn handful of developer have access to the data. We have a clear process about how to introduce telemetry in an application. We have a clear privacy policy https://kde.org/privacypolicy-apps/ https://kde.org/privacypolicy-apps/ and privacy is something we really care about. See for example initiative to develop kde itinerary to be able to track your travel in a privacy councious way or all the work on gpg/autocrypt in kmail wnd kleopatra.
  • sprash 4y ago
    It doesn't matter if it is "opt-in". The problem starts with "built-in". KDE and Qt is very huge and highly complex software. Telemetry can be enabled or disabled without my knowledge, one update away. The same is true for your policy which makes it worthless.
    • dale_glass 4y ago
      What difference does that make, really? Software is easy enough to patch. If it wasn't built-in, it'd be easy enough to add. It'd also be one update away.
  • kps 4y ago
    KDE person? Please allow sending crash dumps without friction.