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What's wrong with hallucinogenic LSD?

flemhans 4y ago
It's nice but maybe too crazy for some, or interfering with your general agenda of the day
alefnula 4y ago
We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not. We are not decent and kind human beings; we are not racists or not homophobes. We can't just not care; we have to be atheists. Even with bad stuff: We are not victim blamers and choice deniers; we are anti-abortionists. And the products marketed to us are just a reflection of what we are. Gluten-free bread. Sugar-free drinks. Non-hallucinogenic LSD. No THC weed. Low-fat milk. Etc. Everything is becoming defined in terms of what it's not.
- rootsudo 4y ago
  Boxed Water. That is the best example.Remember, buying boxed water is better because they tell you so. https://boxedwaterisbetter.com/ https://boxedwaterisbetter.com/
  - deathgripsss 4y ago
    Can you explain this example?
    - rootsudo 4y ago
      It was in reply to the comment earlier: "We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not. We are not decent and kind human beings; we are not racists or not homophobes. We can't just not care; we have to be atheists. Even with bad stuff: We are not victim blamers and choice deniers; we are anti-abortionists. And the products marketed to us are just a reflection of what we are. Gluten-free bread. Sugar-free drinks. Non-hallucinogenic LSD. No THC weed. Low-fat milk. Etc. Everything is becoming defined in terms of what it's not." Basically, marketing 101 - don't sell the product, sell what it isn't or what it is. Boxed Water - It's marketed as better, even though it still is a packaged product that has supply chain woes as any product. It's a reflection of what society is, wanting the same product but not wanting to feel "bad" by it. The above example goes with no THC weed, low fat milk, sugar free drinks, etc. Sugar has calories. Fat is not health. THC is bad but people still want to do weed, etc. People want water, but they don't want to feel bad. Some people may know about Nestle and how they just rebottle public water, others come in that boxed water is better because there's no plastic, and it's just marketing water in a new way. Lifestyle choice. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-06/is-boxed-water-actually-better https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-06/is-boxed-... A big thing about psychedelics, at least back in the day was that it was counter culture. There was The Man which isn't really used anymore. I think the best, newest pop culture usage of it is probably "That 70's show" to the remix "That 90's Show" or, to be seen there anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man I can go on, but - the more that psychedelics have/become a place of healing and more scrutinized and legalized, much of the original culture surrounding it is gone. And yes, many arguments are that it is better - proven results, proven research, trusted supply chain of chemicals to consume, no need to hide getting help if needed, not being penalized legally, not being criminalized, etc. Which comes around to boxed water. Per the bloomberg article there several quotes: "The name is not just fitting, it's precise. As much as the company is selling water, it's also selling boxes, or rather, selling its customers on paper over plastic. " ""Definitely a water company," says Jeremy Adams, vice-president for marketing at Boxed Water Is Better, when I ask him whether Boxed Water is a paper company." "While bottled water is easily the most wasteful indulgence in the first world, it's also not going anywhere. Convenience water is a $24 billion market in the U.S., where more than 1 billion plastic water bottles are shipped annually." "Sure, Boxed Water is selling people on a lifestyle product that everyone should rely on way less. But Boxed Water Is Better may in fact be an improvement on bottled water. Not just in terms of sustainability, but in the way that a highly disposable product is produced, packaged, and shipped." All that, itself fits the original comment I replied too: "We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not." Back to the article which has this nugget I'm re-quoting: "While bottled water is easily the most wasteful indulgence in the first world, it's also not going anywhere. " That. That's what it means.
- 52-6F-62 4y ago
  You’re probably probing at something that taking a full hit of LSD would help— Primarily because people don’t know what they are and are afraid to question it.
- saiojd 4y ago
  Interesting observation. Why do you think it's like this?
- Clamchop 4y ago
  I don't know about that. This sounds more like having a reference and deviations from it. Whole milk is milk. Milk with the fat removed is fat free milk. Milk with chocolate added is chocolate milk. So you can have fat free chocolate milk defined in terms of what it doesn't have and what it has extra. Reference LSD causes psychedelic visuals. LSD that doesn't is LSD sans hallucinations. LSD that makes you also taste chocolate in your mouth is chocolate LSD. Not sure there's a deep observation about culture to be made.
jokowueu 4y ago
Many people do not want to experience a psychadelic , like me for example .
- LBJsPNS 4y ago
  Funny how the ones who want it least are typically the ones who would benefit from it the most.
  - 2ICofafireteam 4y ago
    Do you know them?
Rebelgecko 4y ago
It wasn't part of the study
MagicMoonlight 4y ago
Any drug that impacts the brain is going to fuck you up to some degree. We don’t want people to fuck themselves up purely for amusement. I know you’re itching to say “muh alcohol” but it’s just not the same. It doesn’t cause hallucinations or mess with your sense of reality and it doesn’t have a high level of toxicity like MDMA. The body can process it quite cleanly. Nobody has a glass of wine and has a psychotic break.
- lm28469 4y ago
  > I know you’re itching to say “muh alcohol” but it’s just not the same. It is, alcohol isn't any different, it's a drug, it's abused, it has awful effects, probably more than some other illegal drugs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HarmCaus... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Drug_danger_and_dependence-small.png?20110904162309 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Drug_danger_a... > Nobody has a glass of wine and has a psychotic break. Nobody has a single tab of LSD and a psychotic break, it's very very mild. People just imagine things because it's been vilified for decades. A lot of people get blackout drunk several times a week for years/decades, a bit of weed or LSD won't kill them or do any more harm than alcohol. LSD is much less addictive and less dangerous than any other common drugs People imagine LSD = hard drug = injecting meth straight in your eyeballs with a rusty needle when in fact at low dose it's more like a very mellow and long weed joint "good part" of the high kind of thing
- potsandpans 4y ago
  hackernews has become the largest source of confidently incorrect people on the internet

It's nice but maybe too crazy for some, or interfering with your general agenda of the day

We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not. We are not decent and kind human beings; we are not racists or not homophobes. We can't just not care; we have to be atheists. Even with bad stuff: We are not victim blamers and choice deniers; we are anti-abortionists. And the products marketed to us are just a reflection of what we are. Gluten-free bread. Sugar-free drinks. Non-hallucinogenic LSD. No THC weed. Low-fat milk. Etc. Everything is becoming defined in terms of what it's not.

rootsudo 4y ago
Boxed Water. That is the best example.Remember, buying boxed water is better because they tell you so. https://boxedwaterisbetter.com/ https://boxedwaterisbetter.com/
- deathgripsss 4y ago
  Can you explain this example?
  - rootsudo 4y ago
    It was in reply to the comment earlier: "We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not. We are not decent and kind human beings; we are not racists or not homophobes. We can't just not care; we have to be atheists. Even with bad stuff: We are not victim blamers and choice deniers; we are anti-abortionists. And the products marketed to us are just a reflection of what we are. Gluten-free bread. Sugar-free drinks. Non-hallucinogenic LSD. No THC weed. Low-fat milk. Etc. Everything is becoming defined in terms of what it's not." Basically, marketing 101 - don't sell the product, sell what it isn't or what it is. Boxed Water - It's marketed as better, even though it still is a packaged product that has supply chain woes as any product. It's a reflection of what society is, wanting the same product but not wanting to feel "bad" by it. The above example goes with no THC weed, low fat milk, sugar free drinks, etc. Sugar has calories. Fat is not health. THC is bad but people still want to do weed, etc. People want water, but they don't want to feel bad. Some people may know about Nestle and how they just rebottle public water, others come in that boxed water is better because there's no plastic, and it's just marketing water in a new way. Lifestyle choice. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-06/is-boxed-water-actually-better https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-06/is-boxed-... A big thing about psychedelics, at least back in the day was that it was counter culture. There was The Man which isn't really used anymore. I think the best, newest pop culture usage of it is probably "That 70's show" to the remix "That 90's Show" or, to be seen there anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man I can go on, but - the more that psychedelics have/become a place of healing and more scrutinized and legalized, much of the original culture surrounding it is gone. And yes, many arguments are that it is better - proven results, proven research, trusted supply chain of chemicals to consume, no need to hide getting help if needed, not being penalized legally, not being criminalized, etc. Which comes around to boxed water. Per the bloomberg article there several quotes: "The name is not just fitting, it's precise. As much as the company is selling water, it's also selling boxes, or rather, selling its customers on paper over plastic. " ""Definitely a water company," says Jeremy Adams, vice-president for marketing at Boxed Water Is Better, when I ask him whether Boxed Water is a paper company." "While bottled water is easily the most wasteful indulgence in the first world, it's also not going anywhere. Convenience water is a $24 billion market in the U.S., where more than 1 billion plastic water bottles are shipped annually." "Sure, Boxed Water is selling people on a lifestyle product that everyone should rely on way less. But Boxed Water Is Better may in fact be an improvement on bottled water. Not just in terms of sustainability, but in the way that a highly disposable product is produced, packaged, and shipped." All that, itself fits the original comment I replied too: "We live in a society that defines itself not in terms of what it is but in terms of what it's not." Back to the article which has this nugget I'm re-quoting: "While bottled water is easily the most wasteful indulgence in the first world, it's also not going anywhere. " That. That's what it means.
52-6F-62 4y ago
You’re probably probing at something that taking a full hit of LSD would help— Primarily because people don’t know what they are and are afraid to question it.
saiojd 4y ago
Interesting observation. Why do you think it's like this?
Clamchop 4y ago
I don't know about that. This sounds more like having a reference and deviations from it. Whole milk is milk. Milk with the fat removed is fat free milk. Milk with chocolate added is chocolate milk. So you can have fat free chocolate milk defined in terms of what it doesn't have and what it has extra. Reference LSD causes psychedelic visuals. LSD that doesn't is LSD sans hallucinations. LSD that makes you also taste chocolate in your mouth is chocolate LSD. Not sure there's a deep observation about culture to be made.

jokowueu 4y ago

Many people do not want to experience a psychadelic , like me for example .

LBJsPNS 4y ago
Funny how the ones who want it least are typically the ones who would benefit from it the most.
- 2ICofafireteam 4y ago
  Do you know them?

Rebelgecko 4y ago

It wasn't part of the study

MagicMoonlight 4y ago

Any drug that impacts the brain is going to fuck you up to some degree. We don’t want people to fuck themselves up purely for amusement. I know you’re itching to say “muh alcohol” but it’s just not the same. It doesn’t cause hallucinations or mess with your sense of reality and it doesn’t have a high level of toxicity like MDMA. The body can process it quite cleanly. Nobody has a glass of wine and has a psychotic break.

lm28469 4y ago
> I know you’re itching to say “muh alcohol” but it’s just not the same. It is, alcohol isn't any different, it's a drug, it's abused, it has awful effects, probably more than some other illegal drugs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HarmCaus... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Drug_danger_and_dependence-small.png?20110904162309 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Drug_danger_a... > Nobody has a glass of wine and has a psychotic break. Nobody has a single tab of LSD and a psychotic break, it's very very mild. People just imagine things because it's been vilified for decades. A lot of people get blackout drunk several times a week for years/decades, a bit of weed or LSD won't kill them or do any more harm than alcohol. LSD is much less addictive and less dangerous than any other common drugs People imagine LSD = hard drug = injecting meth straight in your eyeballs with a rusty needle when in fact at low dose it's more like a very mellow and long weed joint "good part" of the high kind of thing
potsandpans 4y ago
hackernews has become the largest source of confidently incorrect people on the internet