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Not sure what it's like in other anglo countries but in the US, there's a strong association of having a large house, a lawn, and a backyard with middle to high

Not sure what it's like in other anglo countries but in the US, there's a strong association of having a large house, a lawn, and a backyard with middle to high income families. Apartments are associated with low-income ghettos.

eesmith 4y ago
"I Love Lucy" (its first few seasons), "Frasier", "Seinfeld", "Friends", "The Bob Newhart Show", "How I Met Your Mother", "Sex and the City", and "Big Bang Theory" are some of many TV shows taking place in middle-income apartments. "The Jeffersons" live in a "Deluxe Apartment in the Sky". Diff'rent Strokes took place in the apartment home of a multi-millionaire. In "Green Acres" they left a "penthouse view" apartment to live in a run-down house.
- necovek 4y ago
  All of those are about young people who mostly haven't started families, or are only starting to in very few cases (couple and a newborn baby). I don't know about "The Jeffersons" myself, but I struggle to remember a movie with a well-off family living in an apartment, even in areas like NYC or SF. So obviously, you are both right: a family in an apartment is usually a poor one, yet apartments are desireable for young folk.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Don't change the goalposts. The thesis was "Apartments are associated with low-income ghettos." None of those shows fit that "low-income ghetto" description. Further, 4 of the 12 do not fit your description at all. In "The Jeffersons", they have an adult child, Lionel Jefferson. They moved to the deluxe apartment from a house in working-class Queens after George Jefferson became wealthy from his dry cleaning chain. In "Diff'rent Strokes", the father's daughter is around 14 when the show started (it started November 3, 1978, the actress was born November 7, 1964). His housekeeper died and he decided to take in her two sons. In "The Bob Newhart Show" show, the actor was born September 5, 1929 and the show started September 16, 1972 making him 43 years old. They have no kids. In "Frasier", Frasier is divorced, and his ex-wife has custody of their son. Frasier's father has moved in with him due to mobility issues. Kelsey Grammer (who portrayed Frasier) was born February 21, 1955 and show started September 16, 1993 making him 38 years old. In-universe we know the marriage and child occurred when he lived in Boston, because that was in Cheers.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=USA+public+housing&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjTxuecref9AhU71jgGHT6VAAAQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=USA+public+housing&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyCQgAEIAEEAoQGDoGCAAQCBAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeUJUPWNITYPEUaABwAHgAgAGTAYgByAWSAQM1LjKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=AaoWZJPCMLus4-EPvqoC&bih=883&biw=1680&rlz=1C5CHFA_enVN933VN933 https://www.google.com/search?q=USA+public+housing&tbm=isch&... What do you see?
      - eesmith 4y ago
        I see someone who needs a refresher on Bayesian logic. Apartments are associated with many things, only one of which is public housing. An image search of public housing, which brings up many apartment buildings, doesn't mean that apartment buildings are only associated with public housing. Or, to structure it as you did. https://www.google.com/search?q=apartment+house https://www.google.com/search?q=apartment+house What do you see?
        senttoschool 4y ago
        But using TV shows as evidence is better?
        eesmith 4y ago
        What evidence do you have to support your comment? If "Apartments are associated with low-income ghettos" is meaningful, then how come there are many more TV shows taking place in middle- and high-income apartments than in "low-income ghettos"? If we do a GIS search for "apartment building", why are so few of them "low-income ghettos"? If we look at the population of people living in apartments, why are relatively few of them actually living in "low-income ghettos"? (Or does the US really have that many low-income regions?) If we strip away the term "ghetto", with its racist and pejorative history, and its built-in bias for urban living, and instead look at "low-income households", we can easily see there are many poor people who live in houses, including houses with a lawn and back yard. Rural poverty is a serious issue - rural poverty rates in the US are higher and more persistent than in urban areas - and those people are not living in apartments. https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/quick-facts-resident-demographics/household-incomes/ https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/qu... shows that households who rent a house (or building with 4 or fewer units) and households in apartments have almost the same income; only slightly less for households in apartments. While those who own a house are significantly richer. Which means there are more likely to be able to buy a house. This would seem to reduce your original comment to saying there's a strong association of having a large house with middle to high income families, and of low-income people living in smaller residences. Which I have no serious disagreement with.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Oh, I remember a show which took place in an apartment in a public housing project - "Good Times". Takes place in Chicago. Two parents, three children ages 11-17. OTOH, the TV series "227" took place in middle-class apartment complex in D.C. (Wife, husband, 14-year-old daughter.) "One Day at a Time", working-class mother with two teenage daughters in Indianapolis. I haven't watched much TV since the 1990s. A friend suggests "Wizards of Waverly Place", with a family (two adults, three teen children) in an apartment in Manhattan. Anyway, at least on TV it does not seem like apartments are associated with low-income ghettos. They are much more strongly associated with cities.

eesmith 4y ago

"I Love Lucy" (its first few seasons), "Frasier", "Seinfeld", "Friends", "The Bob Newhart Show", "How I Met Your Mother", "Sex and the City", and "Big Bang Theory" are some of many TV shows taking place in middle-income apartments. "The Jeffersons" live in a "Deluxe Apartment in the Sky". Diff'rent Strokes took place in the apartment home of a multi-millionaire. In "Green Acres" they left a "penthouse view" apartment to live in a run-down house.

necovek 4y ago
All of those are about young people who mostly haven't started families, or are only starting to in very few cases (couple and a newborn baby). I don't know about "The Jeffersons" myself, but I struggle to remember a movie with a well-off family living in an apartment, even in areas like NYC or SF. So obviously, you are both right: a family in an apartment is usually a poor one, yet apartments are desireable for young folk.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Don't change the goalposts. The thesis was "Apartments are associated with low-income ghettos." None of those shows fit that "low-income ghetto" description. Further, 4 of the 12 do not fit your description at all. In "The Jeffersons", they have an adult child, Lionel Jefferson. They moved to the deluxe apartment from a house in working-class Queens after George Jefferson became wealthy from his dry cleaning chain. In "Diff'rent Strokes", the father's daughter is around 14 when the show started (it started November 3, 1978, the actress was born November 7, 1964). His housekeeper died and he decided to take in her two sons. In "The Bob Newhart Show" show, the actor was born September 5, 1929 and the show started September 16, 1972 making him 43 years old. They have no kids. In "Frasier", Frasier is divorced, and his ex-wife has custody of their son. Frasier's father has moved in with him due to mobility issues. Kelsey Grammer (who portrayed Frasier) was born February 21, 1955 and show started September 16, 1993 making him 38 years old. In-universe we know the marriage and child occurred when he lived in Boston, because that was in Cheers.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=USA+public+housing&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjTxuecref9AhU71jgGHT6VAAAQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=USA+public+housing&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyCQgAEIAEEAoQGDoGCAAQCBAeOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeUJUPWNITYPEUaABwAHgAgAGTAYgByAWSAQM1LjKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=AaoWZJPCMLus4-EPvqoC&bih=883&biw=1680&rlz=1C5CHFA_enVN933VN933 https://www.google.com/search?q=USA+public+housing&tbm=isch&... What do you see?
    - eesmith 4y ago
      I see someone who needs a refresher on Bayesian logic. Apartments are associated with many things, only one of which is public housing. An image search of public housing, which brings up many apartment buildings, doesn't mean that apartment buildings are only associated with public housing. Or, to structure it as you did. https://www.google.com/search?q=apartment+house https://www.google.com/search?q=apartment+house What do you see?
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        But using TV shows as evidence is better?
        eesmith 4y ago
        What evidence do you have to support your comment? If "Apartments are associated with low-income ghettos" is meaningful, then how come there are many more TV shows taking place in middle- and high-income apartments than in "low-income ghettos"? If we do a GIS search for "apartment building", why are so few of them "low-income ghettos"? If we look at the population of people living in apartments, why are relatively few of them actually living in "low-income ghettos"? (Or does the US really have that many low-income regions?) If we strip away the term "ghetto", with its racist and pejorative history, and its built-in bias for urban living, and instead look at "low-income households", we can easily see there are many poor people who live in houses, including houses with a lawn and back yard. Rural poverty is a serious issue - rural poverty rates in the US are higher and more persistent than in urban areas - and those people are not living in apartments. https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/quick-facts-resident-demographics/household-incomes/ https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/qu... shows that households who rent a house (or building with 4 or fewer units) and households in apartments have almost the same income; only slightly less for households in apartments. While those who own a house are significantly richer. Which means there are more likely to be able to buy a house. This would seem to reduce your original comment to saying there's a strong association of having a large house with middle to high income families, and of low-income people living in smaller residences. Which I have no serious disagreement with.
eesmith 4y ago
Oh, I remember a show which took place in an apartment in a public housing project - "Good Times". Takes place in Chicago. Two parents, three children ages 11-17. OTOH, the TV series "227" took place in middle-class apartment complex in D.C. (Wife, husband, 14-year-old daughter.) "One Day at a Time", working-class mother with two teenage daughters in Indianapolis. I haven't watched much TV since the 1990s. A friend suggests "Wizards of Waverly Place", with a family (two adults, three teen children) in an apartment in Manhattan. Anyway, at least on TV it does not seem like apartments are associated with low-income ghettos. They are much more strongly associated with cities.