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Hmm... You are equating responding to a "massive ground offensive against the DPR/LPR" with Russians "defending themselves against Ukrainian aggression". Are yo

by D_Alex 4y ago

Hmm... You are equating responding to a "massive ground offensive against the DPR/LPR" with Russians "defending themselves against Ukrainian aggression". Are you implying that DPR/LNR are Russian?

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Are you implying that DPR/LNR are Russian? Russia has described them as Russian by identity and allegiance and responsibility of the R.F., even if not juridically (and has since purported to annex them juridically, as well.) Putin also cited direct military threat by Ukraine to Russia generally (including nuclear threat), and invasion threat to “Russian” Crimea specifically, in his speech coinciding with the opening of the 2022 invasion.
- D_Alex 4y ago
  Man, there is some heavy semantic distortion happening in this subthread. To make sense of the NATO narrative: "Western" = "Ukrainian" "DNR/LNR" = "Russia" "Threat" = "aggression" Next, we will be "warmongering" = "peacemaking". Oh wait, this is already a thing. Along with "ignorance" = "strength".
  - vel0city 4y ago
    DNR/LNR isn't in Russia though, it's Ukraine according to treaties Russia agreed to. Same thing with Crimea. Next thing I know you're going to tell me Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia is a real, sovereign country and totally not just Russia invading a neighbor.
    - D_Alex 4y ago
      >DNR/LNR isn't in Russia though Not sure of you are agreeing with what I said above, or disagreeing. Can you re-read the thread carefully and clarify?
    - D_Alex 4y ago
      >Next thing I know you're going to tell me Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia is a real, sovereign country and totally not just Russia invading a neighbor. Well, I had to look this up on Wikipedia, but in a nutshell, that is roughly correct. To be precise, Abkhazia is a de facto independent state, and has been since the Georgian-Abkhaz war of 1992. Russia only recognised its independence in 2008, probably in response to Georgia's plans to join NATO.

by D_Alex 4y ago

Hmm... You are equating responding to a "massive ground offensive against the DPR/LPR" with Russians "defending themselves against Ukrainian aggression". Are you implying that DPR/LNR are Russian?

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Are you implying that DPR/LNR are Russian? Russia has described them as Russian by identity and allegiance and responsibility of the R.F., even if not juridically (and has since purported to annex them juridically, as well.) Putin also cited direct military threat by Ukraine to Russia generally (including nuclear threat), and invasion threat to “Russian” Crimea specifically, in his speech coinciding with the opening of the 2022 invasion.

D_Alex 4y ago
Man, there is some heavy semantic distortion happening in this subthread. To make sense of the NATO narrative: "Western" = "Ukrainian" "DNR/LNR" = "Russia" "Threat" = "aggression" Next, we will be "warmongering" = "peacemaking". Oh wait, this is already a thing. Along with "ignorance" = "strength".
- vel0city 4y ago
  DNR/LNR isn't in Russia though, it's Ukraine according to treaties Russia agreed to. Same thing with Crimea. Next thing I know you're going to tell me Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia is a real, sovereign country and totally not just Russia invading a neighbor.
  - D_Alex 4y ago
    >DNR/LNR isn't in Russia though Not sure of you are agreeing with what I said above, or disagreeing. Can you re-read the thread carefully and clarify?
  - D_Alex 4y ago
    >Next thing I know you're going to tell me Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia is a real, sovereign country and totally not just Russia invading a neighbor. Well, I had to look this up on Wikipedia, but in a nutshell, that is roughly correct. To be precise, Abkhazia is a de facto independent state, and has been since the Georgian-Abkhaz war of 1992. Russia only recognised its independence in 2008, probably in response to Georgia's plans to join NATO.