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Van vs. SUV seems like a distinction without a difference, at least as far as “crossover” SUVs are concerned, which are by far the best selling style in the US.

Van vs. SUV seems like a distinction without a difference, at least as far as “crossover” SUVs are concerned, which are by far the best selling style in the US. If anything, most crossovers are probably smaller, nimbler, and get better gas mileage than the typical minivan. And for the most part, stations wagons don’t exist anymore in America.* * The Subaru Outback is now essentially a crossover SUV. I guess you might still be able to buy the wagon version of one model of Audi?

Symbiote 4y ago
He's in Europe, so by "van" he means the vehicle at the top of [1], which is by far the first choice for most people who need to carry significant tools or equipment for their job. The second choice is an ordinary station wagon / estate car with the rear windows optionally replaced by metal panels. (Possibly more secure, in some countries also less vehicle tax.) These usually have something like "Network installer" or some sort of engineer written on the side -- some tools, but not so bulky and probably further to drive between jobs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  I had a van in the past, they are awesome. Lots of space, stuff stays dry, great handling if you're in a model that sits you over the front wheels. You'd want decent bull bars for frontal impact protection tho.
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Bull bars defeat the whole pedestrian safety benefit. The EU and UK have strict limits on what's allowed, the type you see in Australia and the USA are banned. It's frustrating that the first website I find selling something similar lists the main benefit of bull bars as "styling". I fully support the people who vandalize vehicles with bull bars parked in urban areas. https://www.truckman.co.uk/blog/post/are-bull-bars-legal https://www.truckman.co.uk/blog/post/are-bull-bars-legal
    - mikrotikker 4y ago
      I don't think it is correct to vandalize a vehicle with a bullbar parked in an urban area. You don't know if they are just visiting from out of town. How about I vandalize your house because I don't like your ring doorcam. Or vandalize your dog because it barked at me? If I caught someone vandalizing my pride and joy I'd vandalize their face. Excusing vandalism of private property should always be opposed because you don't know what someone will excuse to vandalize your property. It's a very short sighted opinion.
      - Symbiote 4y ago
        If bull-bars are 'needed', the vehicle will already have scratches from off-road driving. In some European cities, some off-road vehicles are already banned from urban areas, or require special permits. Currently I'm only aware of this applying to heavy(ish) commercial vehicles. It's not a given that any vehicle need drive anywhere, at the owner's convenience and society's detriment. You might consider the effect of your vehicle on your family's faces, if you have a moment of inattention while driving near your home.
        mikrotikker 4y ago
        Needed and wanted. I want a full exo cage where the whole vehicle has a roll cage on the outside. Even more crash protection, plus it doubles as a roof rack and deck for taking in whatever wonderful view you just drove to. I'm OK with not having off road vehicles in the city but then I have multiple vehicles so I could dedicate one to going to the city. Where as some people might only be able to have one. But then the only reason I would ever be in a city is to go to a hospital. As my family are not mongoloids milling about in the street I'm sure their faces will be fine.

Symbiote 4y ago

He's in Europe, so by "van" he means the vehicle at the top of [1], which is by far the first choice for most people who need to carry significant tools or equipment for their job. The second choice is an ordinary station wagon / estate car with the rear windows optionally replaced by metal panels. (Possibly more secure, in some countries also less vehicle tax.) These usually have something like "Network installer" or some sort of engineer written on the side -- some tools, but not so bulky and probably further to drive between jobs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van

mikrotikker 4y ago
I had a van in the past, they are awesome. Lots of space, stuff stays dry, great handling if you're in a model that sits you over the front wheels. You'd want decent bull bars for frontal impact protection tho.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  Bull bars defeat the whole pedestrian safety benefit. The EU and UK have strict limits on what's allowed, the type you see in Australia and the USA are banned. It's frustrating that the first website I find selling something similar lists the main benefit of bull bars as "styling". I fully support the people who vandalize vehicles with bull bars parked in urban areas. https://www.truckman.co.uk/blog/post/are-bull-bars-legal https://www.truckman.co.uk/blog/post/are-bull-bars-legal
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    I don't think it is correct to vandalize a vehicle with a bullbar parked in an urban area. You don't know if they are just visiting from out of town. How about I vandalize your house because I don't like your ring doorcam. Or vandalize your dog because it barked at me? If I caught someone vandalizing my pride and joy I'd vandalize their face. Excusing vandalism of private property should always be opposed because you don't know what someone will excuse to vandalize your property. It's a very short sighted opinion.
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      If bull-bars are 'needed', the vehicle will already have scratches from off-road driving. In some European cities, some off-road vehicles are already banned from urban areas, or require special permits. Currently I'm only aware of this applying to heavy(ish) commercial vehicles. It's not a given that any vehicle need drive anywhere, at the owner's convenience and society's detriment. You might consider the effect of your vehicle on your family's faces, if you have a moment of inattention while driving near your home.
      - mikrotikker 4y ago
        Needed and wanted. I want a full exo cage where the whole vehicle has a roll cage on the outside. Even more crash protection, plus it doubles as a roof rack and deck for taking in whatever wonderful view you just drove to. I'm OK with not having off road vehicles in the city but then I have multiple vehicles so I could dedicate one to going to the city. Where as some people might only be able to have one. But then the only reason I would ever be in a city is to go to a hospital. As my family are not mongoloids milling about in the street I'm sure their faces will be fine.