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Except that /usr is where /usr/local lives (all software installed through the FreeBSD ports tree) and I don't want that on my / partition, so now I have to cre

by calloc 15y ago

Except that /usr is where /usr/local lives (all software installed through the FreeBSD ports tree) and I don't want that on my / partition, so now I have to create a partition just for /usr/local? How about the various other files under /usr, they now have to be moved to / as well? On FreeBSD /usr also houses /usr/home. /home/ is a symlink to /usr/home! / on a FreeBSD system is generally kept small. It doesn't have softupdates on when using UFS2 since it is also the location where your kernel lives, along with rescue utilities and your main /bin. Nothing else. The proposal as put forth is misguided (talking about Fedora's in this case) and I don't think that the system should be re-engineered just because that is the default use case these days. I remember when I first started using Linux and I created a separate, /boot, /, /usr, /home, and /tmp. Just because udev and others now fail to work correctly doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to keep those separate... This is just going to cause more trouble, more fragmentation between unix/unix-like systems and Linux and it's various distributions.

mhurron 15y ago
You can make a good case that /usr/local should be separate from /usr, where as /usr belongs on the same partition/slice as / on FreeBSD. /usr is the whole system as maintained by FreeBSD, where as /usr/local is where your ports are installed. /usr is going to grow slowly, /usr/local could get huge. Separate /usr/local out from /usr on a different disk. FreeBSD recommends softupdates on all filesystems, including /. Also, the LSB doesn't really apply much to the BSD's.
- X-Istence 15y ago
  The defaults for FreeBSD are / as UFS2 with no softupdates, see picture 2-19 in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/in... for an example.
  - mhurron 15y ago
    It has been a few months since I had to administer a FreeBSD machine, but personally since at least FreeBSD 7 I have had softupdates on on /. The installer may still not have softupdates on, but the installer is very very conservative about defaults, and probably hasn't changed since, well ever. However, from the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOFTUPDATES http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOFT... "9.4. Which partitions can safely use Soft Updates? I have heard that Soft Updates on / can cause problems. Short answer: you can usually use Soft Updates safely on all partitions. Long answer: There used to be some concern over using Soft Updates on the root partition. ..."

by calloc 15y ago

mhurron 15y ago

You can make a good case that /usr/local should be separate from /usr, where as /usr belongs on the same partition/slice as / on FreeBSD. /usr is the whole system as maintained by FreeBSD, where as /usr/local is where your ports are installed. /usr is going to grow slowly, /usr/local could get huge. Separate /usr/local out from /usr on a different disk. FreeBSD recommends softupdates on all filesystems, including /. Also, the LSB doesn't really apply much to the BSD's.

X-Istence 15y ago
The defaults for FreeBSD are / as UFS2 with no softupdates, see picture 2-19 in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/in... for an example.
- mhurron 15y ago
  It has been a few months since I had to administer a FreeBSD machine, but personally since at least FreeBSD 7 I have had softupdates on on /. The installer may still not have softupdates on, but the installer is very very conservative about defaults, and probably hasn't changed since, well ever. However, from the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOFTUPDATES http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOFT... "9.4. Which partitions can safely use Soft Updates? I have heard that Soft Updates on / can cause problems. Short answer: you can usually use Soft Updates safely on all partitions. Long answer: There used to be some concern over using Soft Updates on the root partition. ..."