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"a fundamental shift from the extremely punitive American system" How is he going to deal with the powerful people who are profiting off these slavery camps?

by akomtu 4y ago

prottog 4y ago
San Quentin being a state-run prison, that would be who exactly, the governor of California?
- _8j50 4y ago
  I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor not private prison operators. State prisons also do forced labor for profit, legalized slavery. But I don't think san quentin would be affected much since it is a maximum security facility.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor Oh, you mean the guy at the head of the parent organization of the California Prison Industry Authority, which makes and sells products with prison labor, i.e., again, the Governor of California? I don’t think Newsom is worried about that guy.
CameronNemo 4y ago
He is termed out. Dude might run for presidency someday. Probably not though, considering the current political trends. In all honesty he could be done with the election side of politics after this term.
pfannkuchen 4y ago
How much $$$ is generated from the labor? My impression is that the (very bad) slave labor aspect is a small grift on top of the system. I have seen people start to talk as if it actually drives the system in a fundamental way, but I have not seen evidence for that position.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  It would cost "$1.5 billion to pay [CA] prisoners minimum wage."[1] California came close to ending slave labor last year, but the cost of doing so was prohibitive. 1. https://calmatters.org/justice/2022/06/california-prisoners-work-involuntary-servitude/ https://calmatters.org/justice/2022/06/california-prisoners-...
  - pfannkuchen 4y ago
    Well if prisoners are digging holes, you can calculate how much it would cost to pay them minimum wage but it doesn’t mean that the owners of the system benefit from the holes. The relevant question is how much money is made from the output of the prisoner labor. And then, is that amount enough to plausibly provide an incentive to, say, apply political pressure to get more prison labor, as opposed to just being a grift on top of the prison population that would exist anyway without the presence of the grift.

"a fundamental shift from the extremely punitive American system" How is he going to deal with the powerful people who are profiting off these slavery camps?

by akomtu 4y ago

"a fundamental shift from the extremely punitive American system" How is he going to deal with the powerful people who are profiting off these slavery camps?

prottog 4y ago

San Quentin being a state-run prison, that would be who exactly, the governor of California?

_8j50 4y ago
I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor not private prison operators. State prisons also do forced labor for profit, legalized slavery. But I don't think san quentin would be affected much since it is a maximum security facility.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor Oh, you mean the guy at the head of the parent organization of the California Prison Industry Authority, which makes and sells products with prison labor, i.e., again, the Governor of California? I don’t think Newsom is worried about that guy.

CameronNemo 4y ago

He is termed out. Dude might run for presidency someday. Probably not though, considering the current political trends. In all honesty he could be done with the election side of politics after this term.

pfannkuchen 4y ago

How much $$$ is generated from the labor? My impression is that the (very bad) slave labor aspect is a small grift on top of the system. I have seen people start to talk as if it actually drives the system in a fundamental way, but I have not seen evidence for that position.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
It would cost "$1.5 billion to pay [CA] prisoners minimum wage."[1] California came close to ending slave labor last year, but the cost of doing so was prohibitive. 1. https://calmatters.org/justice/2022/06/california-prisoners-work-involuntary-servitude/ https://calmatters.org/justice/2022/06/california-prisoners-...
- pfannkuchen 4y ago
  Well if prisoners are digging holes, you can calculate how much it would cost to pay them minimum wage but it doesn’t mean that the owners of the system benefit from the holes. The relevant question is how much money is made from the output of the prisoner labor. And then, is that amount enough to plausibly provide an incentive to, say, apply political pressure to get more prison labor, as opposed to just being a grift on top of the prison population that would exist anyway without the presence of the grift.