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> Any ideas? Not really. They're more lethal and will kill thousands of people in the US.

by davidw 4y ago

hermitdev 4y ago
> They're more lethal Are they really? A quick search for "US pedestrian deaths by vehicle type" and I came across this 2005 study [0] looking at pedestrian fatalities per mile by vehicle type (and I'll admit some has changed in the nearly 20 years since the study was published). What surprised me was motorcycles caused more pedestrian fatalities than light trucks per billion miles. Urban buses had the highest kill rate, nearly 4 times that as light trucks. Happen to have anything with more current statics? [0] https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/11/4/232.full.pdf https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/11/4/232...
- Symbiote 4y ago
  Urban buses spend almost all their driving time on roads with pedestrians. The statistic needs to be vehicle type in accidents in urban areas.
  - twblalock 4y ago
    The article splits out stats for urban and rural areas for all vehicle types. Notably all vehicle types become more dangerous in urban areas but even buses on rural roads are more dangerous than light trucks on urban roads.
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      Thanks, I had not scrolled that far down. Buses have flat fronts (at least to a typical chest/head height), so they're terrible for pedestrian collisions. The typical American school bus from 2002 is horrendous -- huge blind spots, a high chassis, and the typical user being well below adult height. To European eyes, they look like some sort of off-road military transport vehicle. Though other than buses, I think the paper supports the video: > The increased risk associated with light trucks is attributed to several factors: their greater mass; greater vehicle speed of collision with pedestrians, and their front end design.
JeremyNT 4y ago
The only hope is for the fad to somehow go out of style. It seems hopeless but maybe there is a marketer somewhere who can convince Americans that more practical vehicles are also cool. Ford has just reentered the small pickup market with the Maverick, for example, and I believe they are doing well. Electrification could also push people to smaller vehicles, if the range benefits are real.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  In Australia the Nissan Patrol was rebadged as the Ford Maverick in some cases.
mikrotikker 4y ago
Isn't this advantageous as it pertains to climate change though? The less people, the less pollution there will be, especially if the lethality is applied earlier in life before the person has the chance to release a lot of carbon.

> Any ideas? Not really. They're more lethal and will kill thousands of people in the US.

by davidw 4y ago

> Any ideas? Not really. They're more lethal and will kill thousands of people in the US.

> They're more lethal Are they really? A quick search for "US pedestrian deaths by vehicle type" and I came across this 2005 study [0] looking at pedestrian fatalities per mile by vehicle type (and I'll admit some has changed in the nearly 20 years since the study was published). What surprised me was motorcycles caused more pedestrian fatalities than light trucks per billion miles. Urban buses had the highest kill rate, nearly 4 times that as light trucks. Happen to have anything with more current statics? [0] https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/11/4/232.full.pdf https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/11/4/232...

Symbiote 4y ago
Urban buses spend almost all their driving time on roads with pedestrians. The statistic needs to be vehicle type in accidents in urban areas.
- twblalock 4y ago
  The article splits out stats for urban and rural areas for all vehicle types. Notably all vehicle types become more dangerous in urban areas but even buses on rural roads are more dangerous than light trucks on urban roads.
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Thanks, I had not scrolled that far down. Buses have flat fronts (at least to a typical chest/head height), so they're terrible for pedestrian collisions. The typical American school bus from 2002 is horrendous -- huge blind spots, a high chassis, and the typical user being well below adult height. To European eyes, they look like some sort of off-road military transport vehicle. Though other than buses, I think the paper supports the video: > The increased risk associated with light trucks is attributed to several factors: their greater mass; greater vehicle speed of collision with pedestrians, and their front end design.

JeremyNT 4y ago

The only hope is for the fad to somehow go out of style. It seems hopeless but maybe there is a marketer somewhere who can convince Americans that more practical vehicles are also cool. Ford has just reentered the small pickup market with the Maverick, for example, and I believe they are doing well. Electrification could also push people to smaller vehicles, if the range benefits are real.

mikrotikker 4y ago
In Australia the Nissan Patrol was rebadged as the Ford Maverick in some cases.

mikrotikker 4y ago

Isn't this advantageous as it pertains to climate change though? The less people, the less pollution there will be, especially if the lethality is applied earlier in life before the person has the chance to release a lot of carbon.