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I had a valid for-life license of Office on my Windows 10 PC. When I converted to 11, the software was so slow it was completely unusable. I had to buy a 365 su

I had a valid for-life license of Office on my Windows 10 PC. When I converted to 11, the software was so slow it was completely unusable. I had to buy a 365 subscription. Then they empowered employers with a nightmarish suite to monitor productivity. They have piloted injection of adware into the operating system. Now, out-of-control AI language models are being implemented and it all amounts to the enshittification of knowledge work. Faced with these hellish anti-human systems, I see Windows and Office increasingly as actively harmful to my working life.

zamadatix 4y ago
As long as you get 2 years out of it per upgrade it's still cheaper to get a new perpetual license.
6c696e7578 4y ago
Before buying 365, did you try LibreOffice?
- csdvrx 4y ago
  Maybe it's different for you, but LibreOffice was significantly slower that Office. Also, the compatibility is not ideal.
- westcort 4y ago
  I did, but it is not compatible with the docx format, which is used by many clients I work with. I tried installing Office on a Linux Mint PC with CrossOver, but that was unreliable. My main gripe is that software I paid for was stolen by the company I purchased it from (Microsoft).
- datadeft 4y ago
  Please no. I use it every do on mac and I do not want to use such bloatware ever again. We need open standards and much better (simpler, faster, less bloated, yes , less features) implementations for pretty much everything in the Office suite.
csdvrx 4y ago
> the software was so slow it was completely unusable Which version? I just moved from Windows 11, but Office 2010 was flying: Word opened faster than Wordpad! > I had to buy a 365 subscription. I refuse to do that, and TBH that's why I moved to linux on the desktop (actually, the laptop) I want my software subscription free, working offline, and independant from the OS. Wine does just that, and now my licensed Office 2010 that I got for cheap NIB on ebay will be with me forever.
- westcort 4y ago
  It was Office 2013. I tried CrossOver on Linux, but found it to be unreliable, unfortunately. It is discouraging that a multi-billion-dollar company can steal from paying customers. Office, with no real features for most users but bloat and incompatibility-by-design (docx, xlsx) added since the 1990s, has become an office surveillance tool. Integrating LLMs will further their monopoly by atrophying our ability to write and—-given enough time—perhaps even our ability to think for ourselves. Anyone from Micro$oft care to comment? Given the exposure here, this may be the single the most expensive single-user software license Microsoft ever stole.
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > It was Office 2013. I use 2010 for a reason: the wine platinum level of compatibility. Just follow the install guides to throttle the installer IO and you'll have something wonderful, either in WSL or baremetal linux.
    - westcort 4y ago
      Will do! Thank you so much for the great info!
      - csdvrx 4y ago
        lmk if you run into problems: I have Office 2010 running super stable in Arch on wayland in hidpi. It's a pleasure to use it: excel cold starts in about 1 second
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zamadatix 4y ago

As long as you get 2 years out of it per upgrade it's still cheaper to get a new perpetual license.

6c696e7578 4y ago

Before buying 365, did you try LibreOffice?

csdvrx 4y ago
Maybe it's different for you, but LibreOffice was significantly slower that Office. Also, the compatibility is not ideal.
westcort 4y ago
I did, but it is not compatible with the docx format, which is used by many clients I work with. I tried installing Office on a Linux Mint PC with CrossOver, but that was unreliable. My main gripe is that software I paid for was stolen by the company I purchased it from (Microsoft).
datadeft 4y ago
Please no. I use it every do on mac and I do not want to use such bloatware ever again. We need open standards and much better (simpler, faster, less bloated, yes , less features) implementations for pretty much everything in the Office suite.

csdvrx 4y ago

> the software was so slow it was completely unusable Which version? I just moved from Windows 11, but Office 2010 was flying: Word opened faster than Wordpad! > I had to buy a 365 subscription. I refuse to do that, and TBH that's why I moved to linux on the desktop (actually, the laptop) I want my software subscription free, working offline, and independant from the OS. Wine does just that, and now my licensed Office 2010 that I got for cheap NIB on ebay will be with me forever.

westcort 4y ago
It was Office 2013. I tried CrossOver on Linux, but found it to be unreliable, unfortunately. It is discouraging that a multi-billion-dollar company can steal from paying customers. Office, with no real features for most users but bloat and incompatibility-by-design (docx, xlsx) added since the 1990s, has become an office surveillance tool. Integrating LLMs will further their monopoly by atrophying our ability to write and—-given enough time—perhaps even our ability to think for ourselves. Anyone from Micro$oft care to comment? Given the exposure here, this may be the single the most expensive single-user software license Microsoft ever stole.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > It was Office 2013. I use 2010 for a reason: the wine platinum level of compatibility. Just follow the install guides to throttle the installer IO and you'll have something wonderful, either in WSL or baremetal linux.
  - westcort 4y ago
    Will do! Thank you so much for the great info!
    - csdvrx 4y ago
      lmk if you run into problems: I have Office 2010 running super stable in Arch on wayland in hidpi. It's a pleasure to use it: excel cold starts in about 1 second

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