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I personally find that makes it more astonishing, that it would slip up on knowing the most basic elements of the game, yet still be able to play better than mo

by jart 4y ago

I personally find that makes it more astonishing, that it would slip up on knowing the most basic elements of the game, yet still be able to play better than most humans. Highly smart people sometimes say or do little things when foraying into other fields that causes domain experts think they're not one of them. But that usually doesn't stop smart people from having an impact in making a contribution with their insights. The question of illegal moves is superficial, since most online systems have guardrails in place that prevent them. At worst it's just an embarrassment and I don't think machines care about being embarrassed.

Jensson 4y ago
> Highly smart people sometimes say or do little things when foraying into other fields that causes domain experts think they're not one of them This is the opposite of that, a highly trained but dumb entity that has seen many lifetimes worth of games but is still tripping up on basics. But since it is so highly trained you can mistake it for a master if you squint and don't look into what it is doing.
- ogogmad 4y ago
  > But since it is so highly trained you can mistake it for a master if you squint and don't look into what it is doing. But it is a master, as has been pointed out repeatedly. If you replace all illegal moves with resignations, and use the same style of prompt as the OP did, then it plays like an expert. I'm objecting because you're making it sound like it's a trivial result.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    > you're making this sound like it's a trivial result I don't think this is a trivial result, emulating a highly trained idiot is still very impressive. But it is very different from an untrained genius.
    - ogogmad 4y ago
      You seem to have very rigid and boring definitions of the words "idiot" and "genius". The "AI effect" is real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect Tbh, I don't even know what you're saying. [edit] OK, I might have misunderstood you. It's not always clear what people mean.
      - Jensson 4y ago
        > The "AI effect" is real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect That isn't relevant to my comment, an idiot human is still a human. Your comment here therefore doesn't make sense. The comment I responded to likened it to a genius entering a new field, I objected to that, that is all.

by jart 4y ago

Jensson 4y ago

> Highly smart people sometimes say or do little things when foraying into other fields that causes domain experts think they're not one of them This is the opposite of that, a highly trained but dumb entity that has seen many lifetimes worth of games but is still tripping up on basics. But since it is so highly trained you can mistake it for a master if you squint and don't look into what it is doing.

ogogmad 4y ago
> But since it is so highly trained you can mistake it for a master if you squint and don't look into what it is doing. But it is a master, as has been pointed out repeatedly. If you replace all illegal moves with resignations, and use the same style of prompt as the OP did, then it plays like an expert. I'm objecting because you're making it sound like it's a trivial result.
- Jensson 4y ago
  > you're making this sound like it's a trivial result I don't think this is a trivial result, emulating a highly trained idiot is still very impressive. But it is very different from an untrained genius.
  - ogogmad 4y ago
    You seem to have very rigid and boring definitions of the words "idiot" and "genius". The "AI effect" is real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect Tbh, I don't even know what you're saying. [edit] OK, I might have misunderstood you. It's not always clear what people mean.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      > The "AI effect" is real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect That isn't relevant to my comment, an idiot human is still a human. Your comment here therefore doesn't make sense. The comment I responded to likened it to a genius entering a new field, I objected to that, that is all.