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I certainly did not have "The US military pulls a Musk, releasing footage to prove the other party is lying or mistaken" on my bingo card for 2023.

dragonwriter 4y ago
The US has done that…a lot historically. Like, since before Musk was born. Not sure why you’d call it pulling a Musk.
dragontamer 4y ago
In my social circles, it is called "Getting Musked" when you say, imply that "coast to coast full self driving" is coming in 2017, and its the year 2023 and you're still claiming that full self driving is coming. IE: The Russians are pulling a Musk. They're trying to bend reality despite the fact that a spy drone would obviously have cameras on it that would give proof positive of reality. --------- Could you care to explain what you mean as "pulling a Musk" in your context? Its grossly different from the way my social uses the term.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  I refer to Tesla's practice of releasing videos after Tesla crashes in an attempt to discredit the drivers involved, which came as quite a surprise to the drivers, who didn't realize that the cameras on the car they bought would rat them out.
mempko 4y ago
On thing the US military is betting on is that nobody can tell WHERE this video took place. But geocoders on the internet work miracles. I recommend searching to see where this took place. Both the Russians and US lied in different ways. Both are trying to save face right now because we don't need WWIII
- dragontamer 4y ago
  The video makes it clear that they're over the sea, and the wreck is in international waters. And the closest "disputed territory" is internationally recognized Ukrainian borders. What exactly is controversial here? At best, Russia downed a US Aircraft when it was over Ukraine. If US story is to be believed, it was over international (and I find that more likely anyway).
  - nocsi 4y ago
    Probably don’t want the bases and fly patterns to be determined. From there they can line up the AA. US isn’t the greatest at making their flight patterns unpredictable
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      Russia already knows where the encounter happened.
    - meepmorp 4y ago
      They've been flying surveillance drones along the same paths over the Black Sea for more than a year now - they leave their transponders on and you can look up the flight paths online (try FORTE11, for example). The US doesn't care if the Russians know where the drones fly out of.
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- hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago
  It's easy to avoid WWIII if you just surrender.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > On thing the US military is betting on is that nobody can tell WHERE this video took place. It took place in international airspace around 50km from the Crimean border.
sofixa 4y ago
This has been happening for decades, like when the USSR hid Francis Gary Powers when his U-2 crashed over the USSR, said they had something crash on their territory, the USA said they lost a weather balloon, and then the USSR bring up a CIA pilot proving the USA are spying on the USSR and have lied.
- opo 4y ago
  No, the US didn't try and claim the U2 was a weather balloon, though they did try and claim that it was a routine weather survey: >...At first, and before they had confirmation that Powers had survived, U.S. officials claimed that the U-2 had been conducting a routine weather flight but experienced a malfunction of its oxygen delivery system that had caused the pilot to black out and drift over Soviet air space. On May 7, however, Khrushchev revealed that Powers was alive and uninjured, and clearly had not blacked out from oxygen deprivation. Moreover, the Soviets recovered the plane mostly intact, including the aerial camera system. It became instantly apparent that the weather survey story was a cover-up for a spy program. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident

dragonwriter 4y ago

The US has done that…a lot historically. Like, since before Musk was born. Not sure why you’d call it pulling a Musk.

dragontamer 4y ago

In my social circles, it is called "Getting Musked" when you say, imply that "coast to coast full self driving" is coming in 2017, and its the year 2023 and you're still claiming that full self driving is coming. IE: The Russians are pulling a Musk. They're trying to bend reality despite the fact that a spy drone would obviously have cameras on it that would give proof positive of reality. --------- Could you care to explain what you mean as "pulling a Musk" in your context? Its grossly different from the way my social uses the term.

pwinnski 4y ago
I refer to Tesla's practice of releasing videos after Tesla crashes in an attempt to discredit the drivers involved, which came as quite a surprise to the drivers, who didn't realize that the cameras on the car they bought would rat them out.

mempko 4y ago

On thing the US military is betting on is that nobody can tell WHERE this video took place. But geocoders on the internet work miracles. I recommend searching to see where this took place. Both the Russians and US lied in different ways. Both are trying to save face right now because we don't need WWIII

dragontamer 4y ago
The video makes it clear that they're over the sea, and the wreck is in international waters. And the closest "disputed territory" is internationally recognized Ukrainian borders. What exactly is controversial here? At best, Russia downed a US Aircraft when it was over Ukraine. If US story is to be believed, it was over international (and I find that more likely anyway).
- nocsi 4y ago
  Probably don’t want the bases and fly patterns to be determined. From there they can line up the AA. US isn’t the greatest at making their flight patterns unpredictable
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Russia already knows where the encounter happened.
  - meepmorp 4y ago
    They've been flying surveillance drones along the same paths over the Black Sea for more than a year now - they leave their transponders on and you can look up the flight paths online (try FORTE11, for example). The US doesn't care if the Russians know where the drones fly out of.
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hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago
It's easy to avoid WWIII if you just surrender.
_kbh_ 4y ago
> On thing the US military is betting on is that nobody can tell WHERE this video took place. It took place in international airspace around 50km from the Crimean border.

sofixa 4y ago

This has been happening for decades, like when the USSR hid Francis Gary Powers when his U-2 crashed over the USSR, said they had something crash on their territory, the USA said they lost a weather balloon, and then the USSR bring up a CIA pilot proving the USA are spying on the USSR and have lied.

opo 4y ago
No, the US didn't try and claim the U2 was a weather balloon, though they did try and claim that it was a routine weather survey: >...At first, and before they had confirmation that Powers had survived, U.S. officials claimed that the U-2 had been conducting a routine weather flight but experienced a malfunction of its oxygen delivery system that had caused the pilot to black out and drift over Soviet air space. On May 7, however, Khrushchev revealed that Powers was alive and uninjured, and clearly had not blacked out from oxygen deprivation. Moreover, the Soviets recovered the plane mostly intact, including the aerial camera system. It became instantly apparent that the weather survey story was a cover-up for a spy program. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident