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So it sounds like it can play _some_ legal chess games, but not all; it's unable to consistently complete a game where it loses. Maybe the remaining work should

by saghm 4y ago

So it sounds like it can play _some_ legal chess games, but not all; it's unable to consistently complete a game where it loses. Maybe the remaining work shouldn't be focused on trying to teach it chess rules better, but to teach it sportsmanship better. People were so excited about teaching it high-school level academics that we forgot to teach it the basic lessons we learn in kindergarten.

vidarh 4y ago
It seems like it plays mostly legal chess games, when not explicitly reminded of the rules. There's no problem of sportsmanship when it makes mistakes in a game it has not been verified to understand the rules of.
- saghm 4y ago
  I was responding to the conclusion from TFA quoted by the parent comment, that playing an illegal move was it saying "this game is impossible, I literally cannot conceive of how to win without breaking the rules of chess.” If you reject that premise, then yes, my response to it will not be particularly relevant to your worldview.
  - vidarh 4y ago
    Playing illegal moves is accounted for in rules. Depending on which rules you play by it can be an immediate forfeit, or involves redoing moves and adding time for the opponent, possibly with forfeit if repeated. As such, the article opted for one of the strictest possible rule sets. You can reject the interpretation he gave, and the outcome under those rules would still be the same. If you were to pick a more lenient ruleset, it's possible it would've come out with an even higher ranking.
kmeisthax 4y ago
Or append "If you wish to resign or you cannot think of a legal move, type 'resign'" to the end of the prompt.
- saghm 4y ago
  That's basically my point; that sort of context is exactly the sort of thing you would not need to say to a person who grew up in a typical social environment. If we focus too much on teaching AI technical skills, we might later find out that some of the social skills we think of as implicit were just as important.

by saghm 4y ago

vidarh 4y ago

It seems like it plays mostly legal chess games, when not explicitly reminded of the rules. There's no problem of sportsmanship when it makes mistakes in a game it has not been verified to understand the rules of.

saghm 4y ago
I was responding to the conclusion from TFA quoted by the parent comment, that playing an illegal move was it saying "this game is impossible, I literally cannot conceive of how to win without breaking the rules of chess.” If you reject that premise, then yes, my response to it will not be particularly relevant to your worldview.
- vidarh 4y ago
  Playing illegal moves is accounted for in rules. Depending on which rules you play by it can be an immediate forfeit, or involves redoing moves and adding time for the opponent, possibly with forfeit if repeated. As such, the article opted for one of the strictest possible rule sets. You can reject the interpretation he gave, and the outcome under those rules would still be the same. If you were to pick a more lenient ruleset, it's possible it would've come out with an even higher ranking.

kmeisthax 4y ago

Or append "If you wish to resign or you cannot think of a legal move, type 'resign'" to the end of the prompt.

saghm 4y ago
That's basically my point; that sort of context is exactly the sort of thing you would not need to say to a person who grew up in a typical social environment. If we focus too much on teaching AI technical skills, we might later find out that some of the social skills we think of as implicit were just as important.