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I think there is very low percentage of players at elo 1400 who can provide a valid next move after seeing just the list of moves and not the current board stat

by oezi 4y ago

I think there is very low percentage of players at elo 1400 who can provide a valid next move after seeing just the list of moves and not the current board state.

dragontamer 4y ago
I'm Elo 1400 and can beat literally everyone I know in the real world. I need to go online to find players at my skill level, or find tournament/competitive settings for a challenge. Yeah, I'm "class C", weak amateur chess player, but I think you're grossly underestimating the amount of study I put into this game. I'm not going to make an illegal move
- oezi 4y ago
  I mean can you play just based on being provided the input of a series of moves without it being shown to you as a visual board? I guess most players would mess up 20/30 moves in.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    https://chessily.com/blog/stockfish-vs-chatgpt/ https://chessily.com/blog/stockfish-vs-chatgpt/ > ChatGPT: Yes, that’s a good move for you. My next move is: Bc3, developing my pieces and attacking your pawn on c3. I am 1400 Elo and can tell you that from an near opening position, its impossible to move a Bishop to c3 for either Black or White in the first say, 10 moves, under traditional openings.
- medvezhenok 4y ago
  You will under time pressure :) even Grandmasters have done that (I'm around 1900 elo for context) Also people forgetting they moved the king/rook and trying to castle.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    Watch this ChatGPT game. https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/10ydnbb/i_placed_stockfish_white_against_chatgpt_black/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/10ydnbb/i_pla... We're talking about pieces that don't exist, reappearing pieces, pieces moving completely wrong (Knight takes as if its a Pawn), etc. etc. --------- People are taking these example games and saying ChatGPT is 1400 strength. I don't think so. This isn't a case of "oops, I castled even though I moved my king 15 turns ago".
    - medvezhenok 4y ago
      The article points out that the way that game was conducted was bad. (Here's the original transcript: https://pastebin.com/X6kBRTa9 https://pastebin.com/X6kBRTa9) You need to give ChatGPT the full state (every move) on every prompt to make it play closer to 1400. The game you linked the user was giving one move at a time.
      - dragontamer 4y ago
        > You need to give ChatGPT the full state If I've been given the full state every move, I will _never_ make an illegal move as a 1400 chess player. ----------- > O-O > I'll play O-O as well. Your move. Do you really think that this error would have been made at 1400 Elo? Even in blind chess? This is the 5th move of the game. I can still track the game at this point mentally. I recognize that you're 1900 and think that all the chess players below you are n00bs, but... come on. 1400 players are stronger than this.
        medvezhenok 4y ago
        And yet kids who are gaining rating quickly can and do still occasionally (albeit rarely) make illegal moves at 1400. I know because I've played them (and was one, many years ago).
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  I'm much higher rated than you and I could not reliably play a legal game of chess just given a list of the moves and no board. I suspect you can't either, you can try by turning on blindfold mode on lichess and seeing how far you get.

by oezi 4y ago

I think there is very low percentage of players at elo 1400 who can provide a valid next move after seeing just the list of moves and not the current board state.

dragontamer 4y ago

I'm Elo 1400 and can beat literally everyone I know in the real world. I need to go online to find players at my skill level, or find tournament/competitive settings for a challenge. Yeah, I'm "class C", weak amateur chess player, but I think you're grossly underestimating the amount of study I put into this game. I'm not going to make an illegal move

oezi 4y ago
I mean can you play just based on being provided the input of a series of moves without it being shown to you as a visual board? I guess most players would mess up 20/30 moves in.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  https://chessily.com/blog/stockfish-vs-chatgpt/ https://chessily.com/blog/stockfish-vs-chatgpt/ > ChatGPT: Yes, that’s a good move for you. My next move is: Bc3, developing my pieces and attacking your pawn on c3. I am 1400 Elo and can tell you that from an near opening position, its impossible to move a Bishop to c3 for either Black or White in the first say, 10 moves, under traditional openings.
medvezhenok 4y ago
You will under time pressure :) even Grandmasters have done that (I'm around 1900 elo for context) Also people forgetting they moved the king/rook and trying to castle.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Watch this ChatGPT game. https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/10ydnbb/i_placed_stockfish_white_against_chatgpt_black/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/10ydnbb/i_pla... We're talking about pieces that don't exist, reappearing pieces, pieces moving completely wrong (Knight takes as if its a Pawn), etc. etc. --------- People are taking these example games and saying ChatGPT is 1400 strength. I don't think so. This isn't a case of "oops, I castled even though I moved my king 15 turns ago".
  - medvezhenok 4y ago
    The article points out that the way that game was conducted was bad. (Here's the original transcript: https://pastebin.com/X6kBRTa9 https://pastebin.com/X6kBRTa9) You need to give ChatGPT the full state (every move) on every prompt to make it play closer to 1400. The game you linked the user was giving one move at a time.
    - dragontamer 4y ago
      > You need to give ChatGPT the full state If I've been given the full state every move, I will _never_ make an illegal move as a 1400 chess player. ----------- > O-O > I'll play O-O as well. Your move. Do you really think that this error would have been made at 1400 Elo? Even in blind chess? This is the 5th move of the game. I can still track the game at this point mentally. I recognize that you're 1900 and think that all the chess players below you are n00bs, but... come on. 1400 players are stronger than this.
      - medvezhenok 4y ago
        And yet kids who are gaining rating quickly can and do still occasionally (albeit rarely) make illegal moves at 1400. I know because I've played them (and was one, many years ago).
sebzim4500 4y ago
I'm much higher rated than you and I could not reliably play a legal game of chess just given a list of the moves and no board. I suspect you can't either, you can try by turning on blindfold mode on lichess and seeing how far you get.