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This is for 5ghz AP (access point) mode. As a station/client it works fine. A workaround here https://tildearrow.org/?p=post&month=7&year=2022&item=lar https://

This is for 5ghz AP (access point) mode. As a station/client it works fine. A workaround here https://tildearrow.org/?p=post&month=7&year=2022&item=lar https://tildearrow.org/?p=post&month=7&year=2022&item=lar

phoronixrly 4y ago
What insane lengths are people prepared to go to to work around this issue, and still... > since it does not disable LAR at all, it inherits the issue of requiring a 5GHz access point to be active and near the card in order to detect a 5GHz-able country.
- throwaway5959 4y ago
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  - sofixa 4y ago
    Macs are not a replacement for a Linux desktop, laptop or a server. They do not provide the same options nor allow you do the same things. There is some overlap, but same as you wouldn't use a Linux desktop to run the Adobe suite, Macs are poorly suited for servers, development, power users, etc. - outside of the Apple ecosystem of course, because it's literally the only choice. For anything else, any recent Linux distro provides better tools and better UX, so why bother with Apple's ecosystem, lack of package manager that doesn't suck, compatibility issues left and right (can you run a VM on M Macs now? Kind of, sometimes, depends on how much you pay to whom; containers are still a pain), an undebuggable and uncustomisable OS, etc. etc.
    - culturestate 4y ago
      > Macs are poorly suited for … development, power users… Am I misunderstanding you or does this not describe the vast majority of Mac users in Silicon Valley?
      - sofixa 4y ago
        Nope, you're not misunderstanding me. Lots of people are using Macs to develop, same as Windows. That doesn't make it a good platform for modern development outside of their respective platform's niches.
        throwaway5959 4y ago
        I’ve used Macs for Frontend, backend, DS/ML and embedded (Pi, Arduino, ESP32). What other platform are you speaking of?
      - happymellon 4y ago
        Regardless of whether you think Mac's are good for Linux development the maxim just because lots of people choose a poor option doesn't make it suddenly a good option still rings true.
    - throwaway5959 4y ago
      Did you really need to flag my post? I don’t think it’s fair to flag a post just because you disagree with me.
      - sofixa 4y ago
        I don't think it's fair to assume that someone who writes a comment to tell you why they disagree with you, would also flag.
        throwaway5959 4y ago
        Right.
  - phoronixrly 4y ago
    Don't make me laugh, AFAIK Macs ship Broadcom, which is notoriously the only worse than Intel wifi card you can have.
  - NewJazz 4y ago
    You use a Mac as your AP‽ Sounds expensive.
    - AndroidKitKat 4y ago
      I did this in undergrad when the Wifi in my dorm room was abysmal. I used an old Mac mini and hardwired it with the in-room Ethernet and then used the Wifi hotspot mode to make a nice fast wireless network for my roommate and I. The Mac also pulled double duty as an AirPlay receiver and Plex server. Pretty handy.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    My M1 mac Mini had constant wifi headaches, effectively the wifi did not work since disconnecting every few seconds wrecks your Zoom experience. Both Location Services and a thing called AWDL would just come in and destroy your wifi link over and over again. It took Apple over 2 years to ship a fix. https://systemstatus.ucla.edu/status?id=status_record&service=a8226ec01b1651509ca4a602b24bcb20 https://systemstatus.ucla.edu/status?id=status_record&servic...
    - throwaway5959 4y ago
      I have an M1 Mac Mini and haven’t had any wifi issues.
- Avamander 4y ago
  It also doesn't help with 6GHz networks, the small range combined with relative rareness makes it basically not possible to use.
acomjean 4y ago
That was useful description of the issue. I'm running a Intel AX200 (pop!os) and it seems to be working well. "Intel wireless cards are among the best for Linux, with support for new devices landing even before they are released. however, they have one big drawback: LAR (Location-Aware Regulatory). basically the card detects in which country it is (and therefore the regulatory domain) based on nearby access points' ones, and doesn't let you change it manually. the sad thing is that it often sets the card to the wrong country, which is a problem. prior to Linux 5.5 there was an option to disable this annoying feature in the iwlwifi module (lar_disable=1), but it was removed as later firmware versions caused card crashes and Intel claimed the option shouldn't be accessible anyway "
amluto 4y ago
This is utterly absurd for an AP. It effectively implements a very poor consensus algorithm by which the nearby APs coordinate to decide what country they’re in. Of course, in the absence of any of the APs having any authoritative idea, it won’t work very well.

phoronixrly 4y ago

What insane lengths are people prepared to go to to work around this issue, and still... > since it does not disable LAR at all, it inherits the issue of requiring a 5GHz access point to be active and near the card in order to detect a 5GHz-able country.

throwaway5959 4y ago
[flagged]
- sofixa 4y ago
  Macs are not a replacement for a Linux desktop, laptop or a server. They do not provide the same options nor allow you do the same things. There is some overlap, but same as you wouldn't use a Linux desktop to run the Adobe suite, Macs are poorly suited for servers, development, power users, etc. - outside of the Apple ecosystem of course, because it's literally the only choice. For anything else, any recent Linux distro provides better tools and better UX, so why bother with Apple's ecosystem, lack of package manager that doesn't suck, compatibility issues left and right (can you run a VM on M Macs now? Kind of, sometimes, depends on how much you pay to whom; containers are still a pain), an undebuggable and uncustomisable OS, etc. etc.
  - culturestate 4y ago
    > Macs are poorly suited for … development, power users… Am I misunderstanding you or does this not describe the vast majority of Mac users in Silicon Valley?
    - sofixa 4y ago
      Nope, you're not misunderstanding me. Lots of people are using Macs to develop, same as Windows. That doesn't make it a good platform for modern development outside of their respective platform's niches.
      - throwaway5959 4y ago
        I’ve used Macs for Frontend, backend, DS/ML and embedded (Pi, Arduino, ESP32). What other platform are you speaking of?
    - happymellon 4y ago
      Regardless of whether you think Mac's are good for Linux development the maxim just because lots of people choose a poor option doesn't make it suddenly a good option still rings true.
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    Did you really need to flag my post? I don’t think it’s fair to flag a post just because you disagree with me.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      I don't think it's fair to assume that someone who writes a comment to tell you why they disagree with you, would also flag.
      - throwaway5959 4y ago
        Right.
- phoronixrly 4y ago
  Don't make me laugh, AFAIK Macs ship Broadcom, which is notoriously the only worse than Intel wifi card you can have.
- NewJazz 4y ago
  You use a Mac as your AP‽ Sounds expensive.
  - AndroidKitKat 4y ago
    I did this in undergrad when the Wifi in my dorm room was abysmal. I used an old Mac mini and hardwired it with the in-room Ethernet and then used the Wifi hotspot mode to make a nice fast wireless network for my roommate and I. The Mac also pulled double duty as an AirPlay receiver and Plex server. Pretty handy.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  My M1 mac Mini had constant wifi headaches, effectively the wifi did not work since disconnecting every few seconds wrecks your Zoom experience. Both Location Services and a thing called AWDL would just come in and destroy your wifi link over and over again. It took Apple over 2 years to ship a fix. https://systemstatus.ucla.edu/status?id=status_record&service=a8226ec01b1651509ca4a602b24bcb20 https://systemstatus.ucla.edu/status?id=status_record&servic...
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    I have an M1 Mac Mini and haven’t had any wifi issues.
Avamander 4y ago
It also doesn't help with 6GHz networks, the small range combined with relative rareness makes it basically not possible to use.

acomjean 4y ago

That was useful description of the issue. I'm running a Intel AX200 (pop!os) and it seems to be working well. "Intel wireless cards are among the best for Linux, with support for new devices landing even before they are released. however, they have one big drawback: LAR (Location-Aware Regulatory). basically the card detects in which country it is (and therefore the regulatory domain) based on nearby access points' ones, and doesn't let you change it manually. the sad thing is that it often sets the card to the wrong country, which is a problem. prior to Linux 5.5 there was an option to disable this annoying feature in the iwlwifi module (lar_disable=1), but it was removed as later firmware versions caused card crashes and Intel claimed the option shouldn't be accessible anyway "

amluto 4y ago

This is utterly absurd for an AP. It effectively implements a very poor consensus algorithm by which the nearby APs coordinate to decide what country they’re in. Of course, in the absence of any of the APs having any authoritative idea, it won’t work very well.