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The palm oil is less than ideal but this isn't exactly health food to begin with.

by brewdad 4y ago

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throwaway12245 4y ago
>palm oil is less than ideal Why do you say this? Just curious. Palm oil is one of the better plant oils, no?
- dghughes 4y ago
  Massive harm of the environment by companies that farm it. Orangutans' habitat for one.
- Swizec 4y ago
  The main problem with palm oil isn’t health afaik, it’s the orangutan habitat destruction since most palm oil still comes from wild forests instead of farming. https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil
  - supernova87a 4y ago
    Palm oil is full of saturated fats isn't it?
- sph 4y ago
  Massive amounts of inflammatory PUFAs. No, palm oil is terrible and everywhere in ultra processed food because it's extremely cheap. There are few healthy vegetable oils and they tend to be very expensive: olive, macadamia, coconut, etc. EDIT: I stand corrected, it has moderate amounts of PUFA, but terrible Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio (45/1), which is thought to have metabolic consequences.
  - zerocrates 4y ago
    My understanding has been that it's cheap, saturated, and solid/stable, so it's a straightforward replacement for the hydrogenated oils that were previously being used in many of the same applications before the whole trans fat issue banished them.
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    Canola oil is cheap and it improves health outcomes in humans despite twitter sophistry.
- scythe 4y ago
  Palm oil generates an incredible amount of pollution in Internet comment sections whenever it is mentioned, because people don't realize that it's simply the most productive oil per unit acre by far. If not for Indonesian rainforest palm oil you'd need to cut down 2-3x as much Brazilian rainforest for soybeans or Phillippine rainforest for coconuts to meet the same demand. 71% of palm oil is consumed between the Caspian Sea and the Pacific. Approximately one-third is used for nonfood applications, particularly the Indonesian biodiesel industry, which if you wanted to do something about deforestation, you could pay them to stop doing that in particular. https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/palm-oil-market https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/palm-oil... It is a saturated fat, but it's being mixed with highly unsaturated peanut oil, so the whole-product average is probably insignificant.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    I went searching regarding your claim about how productive various types of oil are per acre. It’s actually insane, and palm oil is at least 400% better than the next best. Edit: coconut oil production is variable depending on where you check. It might be half as good as palm oil. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-plant-oil-yield-showing-efficiency-comparison-among-different-major-oil-crops_fig2_325398464 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-plant-oil-yield-... https://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html https://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
- KingLancelot 4y ago
  Palm oil harvesting is killing endangered orangutans.
berry_sortoro 4y ago
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jessaustin 4y ago
If they used tasty healthy lard the product wouldn't sell very well in Israel or anywhere else in the Near East...
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  Similar to the palm oil, when imported, the tallow comes in on chemical tankers (whose cargo tanks' most recent cargoes were things like benzene or methanol at the cleanest). Yum.
  - 331c8c71 4y ago
    Cleaning is mandatory but I am wondering who is controlling...
    - fuzzfactor 4y ago
      >who is controlling... Depends on which port and which personnel. The better informed are all aware that after discharge, if the remaining barrels of benzene or methanol can be completely removed by suction and evaporation from the designated edible oil compartments and all associated pipelines and hoses, there is never any cleaner equipment. Considering earlier voyages, there is no way 12 hours of shipyard cleaning is going to be as effective at removing traces of previous cargoes like acrylonitrile or spent transformer oil, compared to a full voyage when loaded with hundreds of tonnes of such a clean, strong solvent as high-purity benzene or methanol. So you can only imagine whether everyone involved will all play their supposed part to the fullest extent you might have in mind when preparing for bulk edible oils. Every time. Sometimes expediting the movement will have to take precedence, other times there "just might" be the attitude of "why bother?" And when you're the one climbing down inside the vessel compartment to inspect for cleanliness, there can be quite a bit of pressure not to reject a tank that looks so clean (as long as there is no obvious wetness) compared to some of the other choices on board the same ship. Once any of the crew or yourself has been down there and come back up without immediate ill effects, it's been long thought it can't be that bad unless you actually saw something wrong visually. Certificates of Cleanliness, if required, will always be a part of the paperwork package. And may I remind you it's the methanol that carries the skull & crossbones, not the benzene.

The palm oil is less than ideal but this isn't exactly health food to begin with.

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throwaway12245 4y ago

>palm oil is less than ideal Why do you say this? Just curious. Palm oil is one of the better plant oils, no?

dghughes 4y ago
Massive harm of the environment by companies that farm it. Orangutans' habitat for one.
Swizec 4y ago
The main problem with palm oil isn’t health afaik, it’s the orangutan habitat destruction since most palm oil still comes from wild forests instead of farming. https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil
- supernova87a 4y ago
  Palm oil is full of saturated fats isn't it?
sph 4y ago
Massive amounts of inflammatory PUFAs. No, palm oil is terrible and everywhere in ultra processed food because it's extremely cheap. There are few healthy vegetable oils and they tend to be very expensive: olive, macadamia, coconut, etc. EDIT: I stand corrected, it has moderate amounts of PUFA, but terrible Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio (45/1), which is thought to have metabolic consequences.
- zerocrates 4y ago
  My understanding has been that it's cheap, saturated, and solid/stable, so it's a straightforward replacement for the hydrogenated oils that were previously being used in many of the same applications before the whole trans fat issue banished them.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Canola oil is cheap and it improves health outcomes in humans despite twitter sophistry.
scythe 4y ago
Palm oil generates an incredible amount of pollution in Internet comment sections whenever it is mentioned, because people don't realize that it's simply the most productive oil per unit acre by far. If not for Indonesian rainforest palm oil you'd need to cut down 2-3x as much Brazilian rainforest for soybeans or Phillippine rainforest for coconuts to meet the same demand. 71% of palm oil is consumed between the Caspian Sea and the Pacific. Approximately one-third is used for nonfood applications, particularly the Indonesian biodiesel industry, which if you wanted to do something about deforestation, you could pay them to stop doing that in particular. https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/palm-oil-market https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/palm-oil... It is a saturated fat, but it's being mixed with highly unsaturated peanut oil, so the whole-product average is probably insignificant.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  I went searching regarding your claim about how productive various types of oil are per acre. It’s actually insane, and palm oil is at least 400% better than the next best. Edit: coconut oil production is variable depending on where you check. It might be half as good as palm oil. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-plant-oil-yield-showing-efficiency-comparison-among-different-major-oil-crops_fig2_325398464 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-plant-oil-yield-... https://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html https://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
KingLancelot 4y ago
Palm oil harvesting is killing endangered orangutans.

berry_sortoro 4y ago

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jessaustin 4y ago

If they used tasty healthy lard the product wouldn't sell very well in Israel or anywhere else in the Near East...

fuzzfactor 4y ago
Similar to the palm oil, when imported, the tallow comes in on chemical tankers (whose cargo tanks' most recent cargoes were things like benzene or methanol at the cleanest). Yum.
- 331c8c71 4y ago
  Cleaning is mandatory but I am wondering who is controlling...
  - fuzzfactor 4y ago
    >who is controlling... Depends on which port and which personnel. The better informed are all aware that after discharge, if the remaining barrels of benzene or methanol can be completely removed by suction and evaporation from the designated edible oil compartments and all associated pipelines and hoses, there is never any cleaner equipment. Considering earlier voyages, there is no way 12 hours of shipyard cleaning is going to be as effective at removing traces of previous cargoes like acrylonitrile or spent transformer oil, compared to a full voyage when loaded with hundreds of tonnes of such a clean, strong solvent as high-purity benzene or methanol. So you can only imagine whether everyone involved will all play their supposed part to the fullest extent you might have in mind when preparing for bulk edible oils. Every time. Sometimes expediting the movement will have to take precedence, other times there "just might" be the attitude of "why bother?" And when you're the one climbing down inside the vessel compartment to inspect for cleanliness, there can be quite a bit of pressure not to reject a tank that looks so clean (as long as there is no obvious wetness) compared to some of the other choices on board the same ship. Once any of the crew or yourself has been down there and come back up without immediate ill effects, it's been long thought it can't be that bad unless you actually saw something wrong visually. Certificates of Cleanliness, if required, will always be a part of the paperwork package. And may I remind you it's the methanol that carries the skull & crossbones, not the benzene.