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As a theoretical exercise, does anyone know what the punishment for these crimes would be? Of course we'll never see a trial, but I'm just curious, if it were t

As a theoretical exercise, does anyone know what the punishment for these crimes would be? Of course we'll never see a trial, but I'm just curious, if it were to happen in some parallel universe, what would they get? A couple years in jail? Life?

hirundo 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials: > The trials targeted 177 defendants and obtained 142 convictions, including 25 death sentences > On 11 December 1946, the United Nations General Assembly unanimously passed a resolution affirming "the principles of international law recognized by the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and the judgment of the Tribunal". But (thanks ceejayoz) https://legal.un.org/icc/statute/iccq&a.htm https://legal.un.org/icc/statute/iccq&a.htm: > Consistent with international human rights standards, the International Criminal Court has no competence to impose a death penalty. The Court can impose lengthy terms of imprisonment of up to 30 years or life when so justified by the gravity of the case. The Court may, in addition, order a fine, forfeiture of proceeds, property or assets derived from the committed crime.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  The ICC doesn't (can't) impose the death penalty.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
50yr? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_politician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_polit...
pjc50 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%... delivered life in prison.
app4soft 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi was killed 4 months after the ICC issued warrants for his arrest.
dragonwriter 4y ago
Its really hard to tell; life imprisonment plus fines and forfeiture, would be the maximum, but there’s not some equivalent of the Sentencing Guidelines that exist for the US federal system where you could map war crimes allegations to point values and come up with an estimated sentence based on the allegations (plus, the actual warrants and details of the allegations remain secret; only the barest details of the warrants have been published as an attempt to deter continuation of ongoing crimes under the authority of these two actors, so even if we had an “ICC Sentencing Manual”, we wouldn’t have the information to apply it.)

hirundo 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials: > The trials targeted 177 defendants and obtained 142 convictions, including 25 death sentences > On 11 December 1946, the United Nations General Assembly unanimously passed a resolution affirming "the principles of international law recognized by the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and the judgment of the Tribunal". But (thanks ceejayoz) https://legal.un.org/icc/statute/iccq&a.htm https://legal.un.org/icc/statute/iccq&a.htm: > Consistent with international human rights standards, the International Criminal Court has no competence to impose a death penalty. The Court can impose lengthy terms of imprisonment of up to 30 years or life when so justified by the gravity of the case. The Court may, in addition, order a fine, forfeiture of proceeds, property or assets derived from the committed crime.

ceejayoz 4y ago
The ICC doesn't (can't) impose the death penalty.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

50yr? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_politician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_polit...

pjc50 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%... delivered life in prison.

app4soft 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi was killed 4 months after the ICC issued warrants for his arrest.

dragonwriter 4y ago

Its really hard to tell; life imprisonment plus fines and forfeiture, would be the maximum, but there’s not some equivalent of the Sentencing Guidelines that exist for the US federal system where you could map war crimes allegations to point values and come up with an estimated sentence based on the allegations (plus, the actual warrants and details of the allegations remain secret; only the barest details of the warrants have been published as an attempt to deter continuation of ongoing crimes under the authority of these two actors, so even if we had an “ICC Sentencing Manual”, we wouldn’t have the information to apply it.)