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however, there are other factors to keep in mind. you mention giving your chewed up food: I read a few years ago that babies who sleep in the same bed as the p

however, there are other factors to keep in mind. you mention giving your chewed up food: I read a few years ago that babies who sleep in the same bed as the parents have a much higher mortality rate; assuming it's true, I guess that with mouth to mouth germ exchange it would be even worse. Also, a lot of food today is full of chemical residues etc that are tolerated by adults, not quite so by babies.

mertd 4y ago
Isn't the mortality because of SIDS? It has not much to do with germ transmission.
- bradleyjg 4y ago
  SIDS and also suffocation, which is now separated out from SIDS. However, in recent years there has been a backlash to the backlash, and under certain conditions (no drugs/alcohol, exclusive breastfeeding, no blankets) some doctors will recommend co-sleeping. It’s controversial.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Isn’t the mortality because of SIDS? SIDS isn’t a cause, SIDS is a name for when no cause is known.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
    Is also a concession to the parents whose kid probably just died of suffocation. Much like the historical trend of not reporting overdose deaths.
rocketbop 4y ago
Why would exposure to more germs be bad? Seems like it would be positive. If you’re talking about sudden infant death, I don’t think it’s related to germs, although it’s a poorly understood phenomenon.
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NineStarPoint 4y ago
SIDS is very poorly understood, but highest probability seems to be that it’s not germ related but related to breathing (more like complex sleep apnea for infants, where sometimes a baby has a messed up breath response. This tracks with SIDS seeming to have a strong genetic component). For what studies we do have, yes sleeping with the parent seems to have a marginal increase in SIDS, although less of one than things like having a loose blanket in a crib. Ultimately risk falls off around four months though, so yeah maybe 2.5 months is a bit early to try weird things.
- dsego 4y ago
  Afaik, babies have weak neck muscles and can't lift their heads. I remember also reading that really small babies can't breathe through their mouth. So it seems easy to imagine a situation where the babies airway is blocked and it can't help itself.
  - TheCapn 4y ago
    Both things you say are correct. And as far as I've seen on most recent studies it is indeed related to some sort of deficiency in the signaling from the brain to "wake up" when oxygen is low, with suggestion that there's a genetic component to it (sorry no link to the study I saw). Basically the SIDS risk as understood currently is like you said: obstruction getting in the way, baby not waking...bad outcomes. Co-sleeping with the parents increase risk by bringing pillows, blankets, themselves into the bed to add obstacles or opportunities for the infant to suffocate. It's a highly nuanced topic. In my parent's day it was common for babies to be put to sleep on their stomach whereas now the advise is to back sleep even though there's increased risk for flat head, but lower risk for SIDS. Once the kid is able to turn themselves it becomes much more simple as they'll move around throughout the night so back/stomach becomes a non-issue once they reach that age.
stametseater 4y ago
A parent rolls over in their sleep and suffocates their infant. A tragic accident. Writing up the cause of death as unintentional homicide, or even an accident, won't do anybody any favors; it would only cause emotional anguish to the parents. So instead the cause of death is "SIDS." I'm not saying this is what happens in every instance, but it's probably the way it happens at least some of the time.

mertd 4y ago

Isn't the mortality because of SIDS? It has not much to do with germ transmission.

bradleyjg 4y ago
SIDS and also suffocation, which is now separated out from SIDS. However, in recent years there has been a backlash to the backlash, and under certain conditions (no drugs/alcohol, exclusive breastfeeding, no blankets) some doctors will recommend co-sleeping. It’s controversial.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Isn’t the mortality because of SIDS? SIDS isn’t a cause, SIDS is a name for when no cause is known.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  Is also a concession to the parents whose kid probably just died of suffocation. Much like the historical trend of not reporting overdose deaths.

rocketbop 4y ago

Why would exposure to more germs be bad? Seems like it would be positive. If you’re talking about sudden infant death, I don’t think it’s related to germs, although it’s a poorly understood phenomenon.

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NineStarPoint 4y ago

SIDS is very poorly understood, but highest probability seems to be that it’s not germ related but related to breathing (more like complex sleep apnea for infants, where sometimes a baby has a messed up breath response. This tracks with SIDS seeming to have a strong genetic component). For what studies we do have, yes sleeping with the parent seems to have a marginal increase in SIDS, although less of one than things like having a loose blanket in a crib. Ultimately risk falls off around four months though, so yeah maybe 2.5 months is a bit early to try weird things.

dsego 4y ago
Afaik, babies have weak neck muscles and can't lift their heads. I remember also reading that really small babies can't breathe through their mouth. So it seems easy to imagine a situation where the babies airway is blocked and it can't help itself.
- TheCapn 4y ago
  Both things you say are correct. And as far as I've seen on most recent studies it is indeed related to some sort of deficiency in the signaling from the brain to "wake up" when oxygen is low, with suggestion that there's a genetic component to it (sorry no link to the study I saw). Basically the SIDS risk as understood currently is like you said: obstruction getting in the way, baby not waking...bad outcomes. Co-sleeping with the parents increase risk by bringing pillows, blankets, themselves into the bed to add obstacles or opportunities for the infant to suffocate. It's a highly nuanced topic. In my parent's day it was common for babies to be put to sleep on their stomach whereas now the advise is to back sleep even though there's increased risk for flat head, but lower risk for SIDS. Once the kid is able to turn themselves it becomes much more simple as they'll move around throughout the night so back/stomach becomes a non-issue once they reach that age.

stametseater 4y ago

A parent rolls over in their sleep and suffocates their infant. A tragic accident. Writing up the cause of death as unintentional homicide, or even an accident, won't do anybody any favors; it would only cause emotional anguish to the parents. So instead the cause of death is "SIDS." I'm not saying this is what happens in every instance, but it's probably the way it happens at least some of the time.