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The same people who tried to sell us the idea that Covid didn't come from one of the very few labs worldwide that were performing research on this virus, but in

The same people who tried to sell us the idea that Covid didn't come from one of the very few labs worldwide that were performing research on this virus, but instead came from a wet market a few hundreds of meters away are now trying to tell us it wasn't the US that (directly or indirectly) blew up the pipeline. The same people that tried to establish the insane conspiracy theory that Trump got elected due to Russian interference. And the thing is, it works. Propaganda works. HN is not some enlightened community that is immune, you'll get downvoted for fairly obvious conclusions that run counter to the official narrative.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago
Seymour Hersh came out and put together a fairly convincing argument. The guy who was right about checks notes: The My Lai Massacre Watergate Torture at Abu Ghraib Domestic Spying The secret bombing of Cambodia. But then people come out and go "nonono don't look at that, it was definitely these two guys on a yatch". https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the...
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  To be fair he went a bit off the rails in his later years, but he does seem to have a credible source for at least one of the pipeline explosions. Also he is far from the only one offering a convincing line of reasoning, another good thinker on various issues I can recommend is eugyppius.com. Very sharp mind and very well read.
- pohl 4y ago
  How’d he do on the Novichok poisoning of Sergei Skripal?
- pwinnski 4y ago
  It is indeed sad how Hersh started out so strongly and went so bizarrely off the rails in his later years. I want to believe it was a natural progression, that having seen the great evils the US was capable of, he start to see US evil everywhere he looked, and was easily taken in by people with a story that appealed to his priors. But I don't know, he so studiously avoids so many things that indicate Russian malfeasance that it's hard not to wonder if its more than just hope the pattern will hold up. The US is as shady as the day is long, and I wouldn't put this past them if it made any sense, but if you know anything outside of Hersh's article, it doesn't. I fully believe the US is doing much shadier stuff elsewhere, but the article doesn't make a good case. https://newpol.org/the-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions-challenging-false-narratives-2/ https://newpol.org/the-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions-chall...
somewhereoutth 4y ago
https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-mis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... Propaganda does indeed work, however it is working in the opposite direction to that which you are implying.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  It works on most people and in all directions. The fact you're whipping out science.org and Wikipedia links, looking triumphantly and self-satisfied at your apparently water-tight arguments is really the perfect demonstration. How could you loose, after all you are on the side of The Science.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago

Seymour Hersh came out and put together a fairly convincing argument. The guy who was right about checks notes: The My Lai Massacre Watergate Torture at Abu Ghraib Domestic Spying The secret bombing of Cambodia. But then people come out and go "nonono don't look at that, it was definitely these two guys on a yatch". https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the...

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
To be fair he went a bit off the rails in his later years, but he does seem to have a credible source for at least one of the pipeline explosions. Also he is far from the only one offering a convincing line of reasoning, another good thinker on various issues I can recommend is eugyppius.com. Very sharp mind and very well read.
pohl 4y ago
How’d he do on the Novichok poisoning of Sergei Skripal?
pwinnski 4y ago
It is indeed sad how Hersh started out so strongly and went so bizarrely off the rails in his later years. I want to believe it was a natural progression, that having seen the great evils the US was capable of, he start to see US evil everywhere he looked, and was easily taken in by people with a story that appealed to his priors. But I don't know, he so studiously avoids so many things that indicate Russian malfeasance that it's hard not to wonder if its more than just hope the pattern will hold up. The US is as shady as the day is long, and I wouldn't put this past them if it made any sense, but if you know anything outside of Hersh's article, it doesn't. I fully believe the US is doing much shadier stuff elsewhere, but the article doesn't make a good case. https://newpol.org/the-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions-challenging-false-narratives-2/ https://newpol.org/the-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions-chall...

somewhereoutth 4y ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-mis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... Propaganda does indeed work, however it is working in the opposite direction to that which you are implying.

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
It works on most people and in all directions. The fact you're whipping out science.org and Wikipedia links, looking triumphantly and self-satisfied at your apparently water-tight arguments is really the perfect demonstration. How could you loose, after all you are on the side of The Science.