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These people are convinced they’re building God. They will usher in a utopia. You’ll never convince them that the risks outweigh the benefits because they think

These people are convinced they’re building God. They will usher in a utopia. You’ll never convince them that the risks outweigh the benefits because they think the benefits will be infinite. Either that, or OpenAI just sees an opportunity to attain total dominance of the world economy and they’re going to grab it, inequality be damned. Their profits must be redistributed. The free market wasn’t designed to handle this.

ChatGTP 4y ago
Edit: The more risky AI experiments you’re referring too, and the people leading them and thinking they’re ushering in the transhuman era should be doing these experiments on Mars, or in a space station or on the moon or something. These companies who plan to take more risks in the future shouldn’t be risking everyone else’s safety. I’m a little bit tired of the “oh we don’t know when we’re going to destroy civilisation with a paper clip optimizer, could be soon or in twenty years, who knows?”. How about we go do our risky experiments on another planet and if the experiment works out well. Great. Personally I’m also not interested in if Russia or China are doing AI research too. We should be leading by example, not solely by economics or strange ideaology. Regarding Microsoft / Open AI, they’ve stolen basically everyone’s work that was public facing, and I’d go as far to say taken all of the open source work, tax payer funded research and everything else and put a price tag on selling it back to the world while endangering many peoples careers all in the name of “safety”, it’s already unsafe. If we let MS and OpenAI get away with mass IP theft then we are actually stupid.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  How would doing it on Mars be any safer than on Earth? Clearly we will have some way of communicating with it, otherwise how are you getting the results of the experiment?
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Because if it start self replicating on Mars, it’s better than if it self replicates on Earth…where you live ?
Workaccount2 4y ago
It's funny the parallels between them and virologists who insist that gain of function testing will prevent all future pandemics and definitely had nothing to do with covid.
spacebanana7 4y ago
> Either that, or OpenAI just sees an opportunity to attain total dominance of the world economy and they’re going to grab it, inequality be damned. OpenAI will likely capture very little of the economic value created by these models. Given that open source alternative are roughly 6 months behind varying by model type (language, image, audio) it's difficult to see them having much long term pricing power. There's no network effect, copyright or sunk cost that stops their customers going to the open source models whose price is just the cost of compute for inference.
- ImprobableTruth 4y ago
  Open source models have been quickly following because most research has been happening in public. Who knows what will be if OAI, Google and Deepmind all stop publishing their results?
toss1 4y ago
>> because they think the benefits will be infinite. From the point of view of the creators & owners, that is pretty much true. There is a ton of research that wealth & power reduce empathy. They already are relatively unconcerned about what happens to the masses. When they get effectively infinite power, and the wealth that follows, the old saying will apply perfectly: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." If it is going to be shut off, either the owners & creators will have to be truly exceptionally ethical, or it will have to be done by force. Most likely, it won't be done, and we'll have to live with it.

ChatGTP 4y ago

Edit: The more risky AI experiments you’re referring too, and the people leading them and thinking they’re ushering in the transhuman era should be doing these experiments on Mars, or in a space station or on the moon or something. These companies who plan to take more risks in the future shouldn’t be risking everyone else’s safety. I’m a little bit tired of the “oh we don’t know when we’re going to destroy civilisation with a paper clip optimizer, could be soon or in twenty years, who knows?”. How about we go do our risky experiments on another planet and if the experiment works out well. Great. Personally I’m also not interested in if Russia or China are doing AI research too. We should be leading by example, not solely by economics or strange ideaology. Regarding Microsoft / Open AI, they’ve stolen basically everyone’s work that was public facing, and I’d go as far to say taken all of the open source work, tax payer funded research and everything else and put a price tag on selling it back to the world while endangering many peoples careers all in the name of “safety”, it’s already unsafe. If we let MS and OpenAI get away with mass IP theft then we are actually stupid.

sebzim4500 4y ago
How would doing it on Mars be any safer than on Earth? Clearly we will have some way of communicating with it, otherwise how are you getting the results of the experiment?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Because if it start self replicating on Mars, it’s better than if it self replicates on Earth…where you live ?

Workaccount2 4y ago

It's funny the parallels between them and virologists who insist that gain of function testing will prevent all future pandemics and definitely had nothing to do with covid.

spacebanana7 4y ago

> Either that, or OpenAI just sees an opportunity to attain total dominance of the world economy and they’re going to grab it, inequality be damned. OpenAI will likely capture very little of the economic value created by these models. Given that open source alternative are roughly 6 months behind varying by model type (language, image, audio) it's difficult to see them having much long term pricing power. There's no network effect, copyright or sunk cost that stops their customers going to the open source models whose price is just the cost of compute for inference.

ImprobableTruth 4y ago
Open source models have been quickly following because most research has been happening in public. Who knows what will be if OAI, Google and Deepmind all stop publishing their results?

toss1 4y ago

>> because they think the benefits will be infinite. From the point of view of the creators & owners, that is pretty much true. There is a ton of research that wealth & power reduce empathy. They already are relatively unconcerned about what happens to the masses. When they get effectively infinite power, and the wealth that follows, the old saying will apply perfectly: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." If it is going to be shut off, either the owners & creators will have to be truly exceptionally ethical, or it will have to be done by force. Most likely, it won't be done, and we'll have to live with it.