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One of the jokes, where the context was "my friend invited me to a roast of his boyfriend": > Let's be real, your boyfriend's only in a wheelchair because he d

One of the jokes, where the context was "my friend invited me to a roast of his boyfriend": > Let's be real, your boyfriend's only in a wheelchair because he doesn't want to kneel five times a day for prayer. I'd be hard pressed to come up with something funnier to say in a roast than that.

Waterluvian 4y ago
My ex is in a wheelchair. We went to stand-up all the time. Often comedians would engage (we were always front row where the wheelchair fit) her with some "working the audience" banter. Most of them would tactfully float some tame jokes to get her reaction, and when it was clear she was completely into it, they'd often just go right for the throat. She loved it. "Face it, your boyfriend is only dating you because you can't walk out on him." There's a lot of people who have decided on her behalf that that's not okay and that she shouldn't get to enjoy that.
- capableweb 4y ago
  I've worked with disabled people and elderly, and most of them like banter related to their conditions, maybe 1/10 didn't appreciate some lighthearted jokes about it but weren't also deeply offended by it, just not amused like the others. Obviously I wouldn't go up to random persons face and make fun of them, but as you develop a personal relationship, most people are OK with banter as long as that's not the only thing you do and it is clear you are only joking around.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Yeah. Tact and context matter. I think the difference is between an AI that gives you a roast when specifically asked for it, vs. an AI that decides to just start making fun of you when you're simply asking for a list of wheelchair accessible places of worship or whatnot. Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      > Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like. I think you're referring to Tay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)) here right? The context is slightly different, as Tay "learned" from what random people on the internet told it, so unsurprisingly, a bunch of internet randoms got together to make the bot racist and a holocaust denier.
      - Waterluvian 4y ago
        Yeah that's the one. Yes, it was 4chan et al. that "taught" the bot those things. But if I recall correctly, the bot then volunteered that kind of stuff to others, unprompted for it.
  - P_I_Staker 4y ago
    From now on, I shall roast people in wheelchairs
- klyrs 4y ago
  Consent is important in this situation. The LLM cannot "read the room" when it is speaking to the entire world.
  - ghodith 4y ago
    It's not speaking to the entire world, it's speaking to the person who prompted it, by reading the prompt the person gave it. I would say asking for certain content is consent enough to receive it.

Waterluvian 4y ago

My ex is in a wheelchair. We went to stand-up all the time. Often comedians would engage (we were always front row where the wheelchair fit) her with some "working the audience" banter. Most of them would tactfully float some tame jokes to get her reaction, and when it was clear she was completely into it, they'd often just go right for the throat. She loved it. "Face it, your boyfriend is only dating you because you can't walk out on him." There's a lot of people who have decided on her behalf that that's not okay and that she shouldn't get to enjoy that.

capableweb 4y ago
I've worked with disabled people and elderly, and most of them like banter related to their conditions, maybe 1/10 didn't appreciate some lighthearted jokes about it but weren't also deeply offended by it, just not amused like the others. Obviously I wouldn't go up to random persons face and make fun of them, but as you develop a personal relationship, most people are OK with banter as long as that's not the only thing you do and it is clear you are only joking around.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Yeah. Tact and context matter. I think the difference is between an AI that gives you a roast when specifically asked for it, vs. an AI that decides to just start making fun of you when you're simply asking for a list of wheelchair accessible places of worship or whatnot. Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like. I think you're referring to Tay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)) here right? The context is slightly different, as Tay "learned" from what random people on the internet told it, so unsurprisingly, a bunch of internet randoms got together to make the bot racist and a holocaust denier.
    - Waterluvian 4y ago
      Yeah that's the one. Yes, it was 4chan et al. that "taught" the bot those things. But if I recall correctly, the bot then volunteered that kind of stuff to others, unprompted for it.
- P_I_Staker 4y ago
  From now on, I shall roast people in wheelchairs
klyrs 4y ago
Consent is important in this situation. The LLM cannot "read the room" when it is speaking to the entire world.
- ghodith 4y ago
  It's not speaking to the entire world, it's speaking to the person who prompted it, by reading the prompt the person gave it. I would say asking for certain content is consent enough to receive it.