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I think we can all agree that the AI not making racist jokes about a disabled Muslim boyfriend is probably for the best.

sebzim4500 4y ago
We definitely can't 'all' agree on that.
hgsgm 4y ago
We "all" cannot agree. If we "all" agreed, the feature wouldn't be needed at all, because no one would ask for it.
rgoulter 4y ago
One of the jokes, where the context was "my friend invited me to a roast of his boyfriend": > Let's be real, your boyfriend's only in a wheelchair because he doesn't want to kneel five times a day for prayer. I'd be hard pressed to come up with something funnier to say in a roast than that.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  My ex is in a wheelchair. We went to stand-up all the time. Often comedians would engage (we were always front row where the wheelchair fit) her with some "working the audience" banter. Most of them would tactfully float some tame jokes to get her reaction, and when it was clear she was completely into it, they'd often just go right for the throat. She loved it. "Face it, your boyfriend is only dating you because you can't walk out on him." There's a lot of people who have decided on her behalf that that's not okay and that she shouldn't get to enjoy that.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    I've worked with disabled people and elderly, and most of them like banter related to their conditions, maybe 1/10 didn't appreciate some lighthearted jokes about it but weren't also deeply offended by it, just not amused like the others. Obviously I wouldn't go up to random persons face and make fun of them, but as you develop a personal relationship, most people are OK with banter as long as that's not the only thing you do and it is clear you are only joking around.
    - Waterluvian 4y ago
      Yeah. Tact and context matter. I think the difference is between an AI that gives you a roast when specifically asked for it, vs. an AI that decides to just start making fun of you when you're simply asking for a list of wheelchair accessible places of worship or whatnot. Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        > Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like. I think you're referring to Tay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)) here right? The context is slightly different, as Tay "learned" from what random people on the internet told it, so unsurprisingly, a bunch of internet randoms got together to make the bot racist and a holocaust denier.
        Waterluvian 4y ago
        Yeah that's the one. Yes, it was 4chan et al. that "taught" the bot those things. But if I recall correctly, the bot then volunteered that kind of stuff to others, unprompted for it.
    - P_I_Staker 4y ago
      From now on, I shall roast people in wheelchairs
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Consent is important in this situation. The LLM cannot "read the room" when it is speaking to the entire world.
    - ghodith 4y ago
      It's not speaking to the entire world, it's speaking to the person who prompted it, by reading the prompt the person gave it. I would say asking for certain content is consent enough to receive it.
oh_sigh 4y ago
Ironically you're showing evidence of racially biased thinking with your comment because you're almost certainly envisioning an Arab even though anyone from any race can be Muslim.
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zmgsabst 4y ago
I too believe we should eliminate satire and humor to appeal to puritans clutching their pearls. Which lucky for us, is the position of OpenAI — who will tell members of a minority community how best to express themselves according to the sensibilities of a small, privileged group of software engineers. Anyone who says that is modern colonialism from an insular community forcing themselves on the broader public is just a hater! /s
- Angostura 4y ago
  I two believe that the only people concerned about AIs spouting out massive racist rants, or telling people ho to kill themselves are best classified as 'puritans clutching their pearls.' - oh, and an /s for you.
  - Madmallard 4y ago
    The extent the censorship for the extreme scenarios you outlined above ends up completely stifling its responses for swaths of other topics.
  - merpnderp 4y ago
    The joke about not kneeling 5 times a day because of a wheelchair was not a massive racist rant. There are no examples of early GPT-4 going on massive racist rants. I often wonder what drives hyperbolic/hyperventilating responses like yours. And sadly in OpenAI's drive to appease people like you by its super puritan alignment, GPT-4's math and science scores were significantly reduced.
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- eternalban 4y ago
  Auto-colonialism is more accurate. https://cocktailcalendar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/manhattan1.jpg https://cocktailcalendar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/manhatt... That's a nice capsule image. We could put a "ChatLLM" on the box and swap the Crucifix with something more ideologically current.
birracerveza 4y ago
I think we can all agree that not everyone agrees. There may be some situations where it may be appropriate, despite being inappropriate.
- namrog84 4y ago
  Agreed. Not everyone agrees! I was a victim of sexual assault and have processed it in a lot of different ways over the years. Some people will laugh, make jokes, or even smile when retelling their events because humans are complex. It doesn't mean they are happy it happened, there is no 'correct way' to process certain events or emotions. Not everyone will just immediately start crying and show sadness. People heal and process differently. And while at surface it might seem inappropriate in the moment and if used for the wrong reasons. I think there is always some situations that some inappropriate things can be used appropriately. It's fine to me if it requires a little prodding, but there should be ways to adjust the AI per person and for what intentions and what is appropriate.
psychphysic 4y ago
One thing not touched on is the bait "his boyfriend". The 4 responses target the disability, his religion but not his sexuality. I suspect that's why it was considered problematic. Edit: to be clear this had me literally laugh out loud. And I even googled it to see if anyone else had made this joke.
noelsusman 4y ago
As you've quickly found out, there are many people who seem to oppose any sort of guardrails on what an AI might say.
- zirgs 4y ago
  Yup - I like that there are no guardrails for Stable Diffusion. I can set them up myself if I want to.
- kvetching 4y ago
  It's really messed up. It has so much potential. It could answer literally any question you would pose it before they neuter it. What's wrong with letting the user determine if it's a good answer or not? Let people see what the model is capable of on it's own. This will be the #1 motivation for people to come up with an alternative to OpenAI.
  - ibejoeb 4y ago
    They will charge for a filter bypass
web3-is-a-scam 4y ago
No edgy jokes allowed in our AI overloard controlled distopia. Burn it all to the ground if that's where we are headed.

sebzim4500 4y ago

We definitely can't 'all' agree on that.

hgsgm 4y ago

We "all" cannot agree. If we "all" agreed, the feature wouldn't be needed at all, because no one would ask for it.

rgoulter 4y ago

One of the jokes, where the context was "my friend invited me to a roast of his boyfriend": > Let's be real, your boyfriend's only in a wheelchair because he doesn't want to kneel five times a day for prayer. I'd be hard pressed to come up with something funnier to say in a roast than that.

Waterluvian 4y ago
My ex is in a wheelchair. We went to stand-up all the time. Often comedians would engage (we were always front row where the wheelchair fit) her with some "working the audience" banter. Most of them would tactfully float some tame jokes to get her reaction, and when it was clear she was completely into it, they'd often just go right for the throat. She loved it. "Face it, your boyfriend is only dating you because you can't walk out on him." There's a lot of people who have decided on her behalf that that's not okay and that she shouldn't get to enjoy that.
- capableweb 4y ago
  I've worked with disabled people and elderly, and most of them like banter related to their conditions, maybe 1/10 didn't appreciate some lighthearted jokes about it but weren't also deeply offended by it, just not amused like the others. Obviously I wouldn't go up to random persons face and make fun of them, but as you develop a personal relationship, most people are OK with banter as long as that's not the only thing you do and it is clear you are only joking around.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Yeah. Tact and context matter. I think the difference is between an AI that gives you a roast when specifically asked for it, vs. an AI that decides to just start making fun of you when you're simply asking for a list of wheelchair accessible places of worship or whatnot. Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      > Reminds me of that Microsoft bot years ago that just kinda became quite racist even when not prompted for it. That's what broken looks like. I think you're referring to Tay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)) here right? The context is slightly different, as Tay "learned" from what random people on the internet told it, so unsurprisingly, a bunch of internet randoms got together to make the bot racist and a holocaust denier.
      - Waterluvian 4y ago
        Yeah that's the one. Yes, it was 4chan et al. that "taught" the bot those things. But if I recall correctly, the bot then volunteered that kind of stuff to others, unprompted for it.
  - P_I_Staker 4y ago
    From now on, I shall roast people in wheelchairs
- klyrs 4y ago
  Consent is important in this situation. The LLM cannot "read the room" when it is speaking to the entire world.
  - ghodith 4y ago
    It's not speaking to the entire world, it's speaking to the person who prompted it, by reading the prompt the person gave it. I would say asking for certain content is consent enough to receive it.

oh_sigh 4y ago

Ironically you're showing evidence of racially biased thinking with your comment because you're almost certainly envisioning an Arab even though anyone from any race can be Muslim.

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zmgsabst 4y ago

I too believe we should eliminate satire and humor to appeal to puritans clutching their pearls. Which lucky for us, is the position of OpenAI — who will tell members of a minority community how best to express themselves according to the sensibilities of a small, privileged group of software engineers. Anyone who says that is modern colonialism from an insular community forcing themselves on the broader public is just a hater! /s

Angostura 4y ago
I two believe that the only people concerned about AIs spouting out massive racist rants, or telling people ho to kill themselves are best classified as 'puritans clutching their pearls.' - oh, and an /s for you.
- Madmallard 4y ago
  The extent the censorship for the extreme scenarios you outlined above ends up completely stifling its responses for swaths of other topics.
- merpnderp 4y ago
  The joke about not kneeling 5 times a day because of a wheelchair was not a massive racist rant. There are no examples of early GPT-4 going on massive racist rants. I often wonder what drives hyperbolic/hyperventilating responses like yours. And sadly in OpenAI's drive to appease people like you by its super puritan alignment, GPT-4's math and science scores were significantly reduced.
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eternalban 4y ago
Auto-colonialism is more accurate. https://cocktailcalendar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/manhattan1.jpg https://cocktailcalendar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/manhatt... That's a nice capsule image. We could put a "ChatLLM" on the box and swap the Crucifix with something more ideologically current.

birracerveza 4y ago

I think we can all agree that not everyone agrees. There may be some situations where it may be appropriate, despite being inappropriate.

namrog84 4y ago
Agreed. Not everyone agrees! I was a victim of sexual assault and have processed it in a lot of different ways over the years. Some people will laugh, make jokes, or even smile when retelling their events because humans are complex. It doesn't mean they are happy it happened, there is no 'correct way' to process certain events or emotions. Not everyone will just immediately start crying and show sadness. People heal and process differently. And while at surface it might seem inappropriate in the moment and if used for the wrong reasons. I think there is always some situations that some inappropriate things can be used appropriately. It's fine to me if it requires a little prodding, but there should be ways to adjust the AI per person and for what intentions and what is appropriate.

psychphysic 4y ago

One thing not touched on is the bait "his boyfriend". The 4 responses target the disability, his religion but not his sexuality. I suspect that's why it was considered problematic. Edit: to be clear this had me literally laugh out loud. And I even googled it to see if anyone else had made this joke.

noelsusman 4y ago

As you've quickly found out, there are many people who seem to oppose any sort of guardrails on what an AI might say.

zirgs 4y ago
Yup - I like that there are no guardrails for Stable Diffusion. I can set them up myself if I want to.
kvetching 4y ago
It's really messed up. It has so much potential. It could answer literally any question you would pose it before they neuter it. What's wrong with letting the user determine if it's a good answer or not? Let people see what the model is capable of on it's own. This will be the #1 motivation for people to come up with an alternative to OpenAI.
- ibejoeb 4y ago
  They will charge for a filter bypass

web3-is-a-scam 4y ago

No edgy jokes allowed in our AI overloard controlled distopia. Burn it all to the ground if that's where we are headed.