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What I've seen in this thread so far is some people saying "this is really useful in these particular cases" and some others, like yourself, saying "I'm too sma

What I've seen in this thread so far is some people saying "this is really useful in these particular cases" and some others, like yourself, saying "I'm too smart for this, maybe it's useful for inexperienced/incompetent people".

whateveracct 4y ago
I don't even think it's useful for the incompetent. I do think the incompetent think it's useful tho.
- stormfather 4y ago
  That's like saying a calculator isn't useful just because you're good at mental math. The ability to adapt and extract value from new tools is a mark of competence.
  - whateveracct 4y ago
    Using natural language to code isn't going to help me. It's less dense informationally already. I don't have a stream of natural language in my head when I program or build software, so it's not free to use GPT. This may be a Haskell thing. But I did try and even for small programs it was cute but not actually an efficiency gain over me just doing it. Not to mention in real life, I have to deal with fallout and bugs and I think GPT deprives me of key processes that allow me to be excellent in that regard. If you aren't a coder and code a backend with GPT, what do you do when the shit hits the fan?
    - ldhough 4y ago
      I mostly work in Clojure and I've noticed this as well, it is usually more efficient to just write it myself if I know what I want to do. However for a language or stack I don't understand well where I just need something quick and dirty it really shines... I had to work with a JS visualization library and got it to write what I needed over 10-15 iterations, much faster than if I actually had to learn the library. General programming knowledge sufficed for noticing things that didn't look right and since the output was visual that helped to sanity check the output as well.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    Imagine a calculator that crowdsources it's answers from the populace, how useful is that tool to the incompetent? How easily would the incompetent be able to tell it's bad? That's what we're talking about: An autocomplete machine that has been trained on a million blog posts that contain some code, that maybe correct, incorrect, secure, insecure, outdated or uptodate and the machine can't tell the difference! It only knows what is and is not likely! So the more popular the wrong answer was replicated on the web, the more likely that's what you'll get!

whateveracct 4y ago

I don't even think it's useful for the incompetent. I do think the incompetent think it's useful tho.

stormfather 4y ago
That's like saying a calculator isn't useful just because you're good at mental math. The ability to adapt and extract value from new tools is a mark of competence.
- whateveracct 4y ago
  Using natural language to code isn't going to help me. It's less dense informationally already. I don't have a stream of natural language in my head when I program or build software, so it's not free to use GPT. This may be a Haskell thing. But I did try and even for small programs it was cute but not actually an efficiency gain over me just doing it. Not to mention in real life, I have to deal with fallout and bugs and I think GPT deprives me of key processes that allow me to be excellent in that regard. If you aren't a coder and code a backend with GPT, what do you do when the shit hits the fan?
  - ldhough 4y ago
    I mostly work in Clojure and I've noticed this as well, it is usually more efficient to just write it myself if I know what I want to do. However for a language or stack I don't understand well where I just need something quick and dirty it really shines... I had to work with a JS visualization library and got it to write what I needed over 10-15 iterations, much faster than if I actually had to learn the library. General programming knowledge sufficed for noticing things that didn't look right and since the output was visual that helped to sanity check the output as well.
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  Imagine a calculator that crowdsources it's answers from the populace, how useful is that tool to the incompetent? How easily would the incompetent be able to tell it's bad? That's what we're talking about: An autocomplete machine that has been trained on a million blog posts that contain some code, that maybe correct, incorrect, secure, insecure, outdated or uptodate and the machine can't tell the difference! It only knows what is and is not likely! So the more popular the wrong answer was replicated on the web, the more likely that's what you'll get!