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Umm, most professional programmers probably don't know how to operate in a linux dev environment bro... That is also an extremely stupid requirement. You can b

Umm, most professional programmers probably don't know how to operate in a linux dev environment bro... That is also an extremely stupid requirement. You can be a good programmer (Especially as a junior) without knowing all the linux command line tools.

foolfoolz 4y ago
this is the most common. id say most people i’ve worked with start caring to learn the shell and dig into the os more around year 8 of their career
- pxc 4y ago
  > id say most people i’ve worked with start caring to learn the shell and dig into the os more around year 8 of their career That sounds tragically late to me. It represents a serious failure on the part of those who know and love the command line to make it accessible to newcomers, imo.
  - foolfoolz 4y ago
    nah it just shows how the valuable abstractions have moved up. i bet this 8 year mark will only get later over time until it disappears
    - pxc 4y ago
      Level of abstraction is largely orthogonal to the GUI/CLI divide, though. nmcli is more abstract than ip+iw+wpa_supplicant, but it's no more or less abstract than any GUI network configuration widget. The output of ls is no more or less abstract than the contents of a directory as displayed by a GUI file manager. It's the same metaphor and the same information displayed in two different formats.
nicolas_t 4y ago
I haven't met a good professional programmer working in webdev who didn't know their way around linux. I've met plenty of bad programers who got into this field for money, didn't know how their way around unix, were barely able to do fizz buzz and would be better doing something else. I haven't hired them though. Not knowing one's way around linux is a sign of lack of curiosity and passion for the topic. It's obviously different in some fields (like gamedev) where the code produced by the dev is not supposed to run in a linux environment.
- maccard 4y ago
  I work in gamedev and all our servers run on Linux. Theres a world of difference between knowing your target environment, and knowing a laundry list of shell commands that you can pipe together. "Knowing Linux" falls into the second camp in my experience
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  > Not knowing one's way around linux is a sign of lack of curiosity and passion for the topic Complete bullshit. The only thing it's a sign of is that you're not curious or passionate about linux. Knowing about and being interested in linux may be a positive signal, but the opposite is not a negative signal. Knowing linux is not a requirement to be a good professional programmer working in webdev.
  - neilalexander 4y ago
    Exactly this. I feel like a lot of operating system enthusiasts forget that the operating system is, to many people, merely another tool to enable them to do something else. You can absolutely be enthusiastic about achieving an end result and not give a damn about the tools that got you there.
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  I was under the impression all the cool kids used MacBooks these days. And electron, don’t forget about electron.

foolfoolz 4y ago

this is the most common. id say most people i’ve worked with start caring to learn the shell and dig into the os more around year 8 of their career

pxc 4y ago
> id say most people i’ve worked with start caring to learn the shell and dig into the os more around year 8 of their career That sounds tragically late to me. It represents a serious failure on the part of those who know and love the command line to make it accessible to newcomers, imo.
- foolfoolz 4y ago
  nah it just shows how the valuable abstractions have moved up. i bet this 8 year mark will only get later over time until it disappears
  - pxc 4y ago
    Level of abstraction is largely orthogonal to the GUI/CLI divide, though. nmcli is more abstract than ip+iw+wpa_supplicant, but it's no more or less abstract than any GUI network configuration widget. The output of ls is no more or less abstract than the contents of a directory as displayed by a GUI file manager. It's the same metaphor and the same information displayed in two different formats.

nicolas_t 4y ago

I haven't met a good professional programmer working in webdev who didn't know their way around linux. I've met plenty of bad programers who got into this field for money, didn't know how their way around unix, were barely able to do fizz buzz and would be better doing something else. I haven't hired them though. Not knowing one's way around linux is a sign of lack of curiosity and passion for the topic. It's obviously different in some fields (like gamedev) where the code produced by the dev is not supposed to run in a linux environment.

maccard 4y ago
I work in gamedev and all our servers run on Linux. Theres a world of difference between knowing your target environment, and knowing a laundry list of shell commands that you can pipe together. "Knowing Linux" falls into the second camp in my experience
ZephyrBlu 4y ago
> Not knowing one's way around linux is a sign of lack of curiosity and passion for the topic Complete bullshit. The only thing it's a sign of is that you're not curious or passionate about linux. Knowing about and being interested in linux may be a positive signal, but the opposite is not a negative signal. Knowing linux is not a requirement to be a good professional programmer working in webdev.
- neilalexander 4y ago
  Exactly this. I feel like a lot of operating system enthusiasts forget that the operating system is, to many people, merely another tool to enable them to do something else. You can absolutely be enthusiastic about achieving an end result and not give a damn about the tools that got you there.
UncleEntity 4y ago
I was under the impression all the cool kids used MacBooks these days. And electron, don’t forget about electron.