EVERYBODY DOES IT Foxconn makes everybody's stuff. Yet I don't remember ever hearing about how the Xbox is made with "Slave labor". Nor have I ever heard abo

EVERYBODY DOES IT Foxconn makes everybody's stuff. Yet I don't remember ever hearing about how the Xbox is made with "Slave labor". Nor have I ever heard about Microsoft publishing a public report on auditing the conditions of workers in its supply chain. I'm not bashing Microsoft. I'm just pointing out that the people who keep bringing up this issue are also the same people who use any excuse they can find to claim that Apple is evil, or Apple is going to fail, or whatever. Frankly, I think the "Supplier Responsibility" report was a mistake. It is Apple giving in to the nonsense from people who are just throwing mud. Foxconn's jobs are better than most in China, and when they have openings they have massive numbers of people who apply to fill them. These people are not masochists! Obviously Foxconn is offering them a better job than they would get elsewhere. ITS JUST POLITICS I think the bottom line on all this is that it is the political left in america, and american unions, picking a target that is high profile and raking muck to try and punish them for using nonunion workers. We've seen this before-- Target and Walmart have nearly the same policies, but Target is more unionized, while Walmart is less so, and thus we've had a decade of attacks against Walmart from unions. You don't see the NYT criticizing Sony for using the same workers. You don't see the NYT attacking Target. Or Dell, or HP, or Cisco, or Motorola, or Nokia, or RIM. But, Walmart, Apple, and other high profile company can expect to be regularly smeared. BUT DON'T POLLUTE HACKER NEWS But really, is union mud throwing appropriate for Hacker News? Scratch that. Is ANY mud throwing appropriate for Hacker News? Every time Apple comes up some jackwagon is going on about "stupid sheep buying the iThings made with slave labor." It doesn't belong on Hacker News. This has nothing to do with hacking, startups, or even technology. It's a purely political issue, and it only servers to pollute the environment here, making discussion of things relevant to hackers less prevalent. Its getting rare to find stories on HN on hacks, engineering techniques, etc. About the best I can regularly find are "8 ways something helped my startup" and "heres what's happened with my startup" and the occasional "here's a new open source package relevant to hackers." But the least relevant to me of any of those type articles is an order of magnitude better than this "apple uses slave labor" BS. EDITS Edit: RE: Unions. Took out an editorial comment about unions because I don't really mean to start a debate about them. But when it was in, I was not talking about cost differences, they're going to be there always between countries. Unions however make manufacturing more rigid. You can't improve efficiency without risking some segment (generally the workers whose steps are eliminated) striking and the whole workforce walking out. If you can't improve your plants domestically, you're more likely to move them abroad. Apple, for instance, radically changes the way iPhones are manufactured from generation to generation. Even going so far as to buy large numbers of rare machines. The workforce in china is pretty fluid. They aren't striking because their job changed. Edit2: I'm not going to rebut claims. To prove me wrong, show me articles attacking other prominent technology companies, then show me how they've been promoted on HN. Show me evidence that the people applying to Foxconn are desperate, not people who have other jobs. All I know is that there are a lot of them applying for each position. The real point is-- this is Hacker News-- Politico News. I know to expect downvotes, and this article, as predicted, is collecting a lot of "righteous" outrage that Apple would dare defend itself. But look at those comments. Even if you agree with them, is this the Hacker News you want? I don't. Karma be damned, I'm going to take a stand. Please, just stop with political crap! EDIT: OH, right. You're telling politically motivated lies about Apple because "hackers have a social conscious". Bullshit.