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2G is still there and isn't going anywhere.

jsheard 4y ago
Is it? Wikipedia says that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon have already killed it, with only T-Mobile still going until next year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Past_2G_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Past_2G_networks YMMV in other countries of course, but many networks worldwide have already phased it out or are going to soon.
Narkov 4y ago
You do realise that there are countries outside of the USA? Australia has no 2G networks and 3G is approaching EOL.
- hackmiester 4y ago
  haha, all but one 2G network in the USA is gone, so I suspect they are not from the USA, actually.
- IntelMiner 4y ago
  I bought a Motorola RAZR 3G for $0.50 while farting around inside a Cashies a while back Turns out it was still locked to Telstra, they demanded *$100* to unlock the damn thing, even though they were turning off their 3G network anyway! Unfortunately all the resources on hacking them has long since succumbed to linkrot, plus getting it hooked up over USB to an XP VM to try and unlock it that way seemed risky
- coolg54321 4y ago
  In Germany you move farther out of cities, you are stuck with 2G [0] https://www.nperf.com/en/map/DE/-/187895.Telekom/signal/?ll=47.55255094562145&lg=10.611838353797795&zoom=10 https://www.nperf.com/en/map/DE/-/187895.Telekom/signal/?ll=...
  - piva00 4y ago
    Germany and internet connection, I can't comprehend how one of the richest countries in the world, in such a small land mass can have such bad connectivity. It's really baffling going here from Sweden where I'm starting to get 5G signal outside of core city areas, get 4G almost across the whole country with speeds of 50-100+Mbps, into the city centre of Berlin and there I fallback to 3G networks every 3rd/4th block walking. Friends living there having terrible experiences with Telekom, almost no fiber available, etc. Germany should enact something like this policy from here: https://pts.se/sv/bransch/internet/bredbandsstrategin/ https://pts.se/sv/bransch/internet/bredbandsstrategin/
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      > Germany and internet connection, I can't comprehend how one of the richest countries in the world, in such a small land mass can have such bad connectivity. A combination of toxic financial mindset (back in the early '00s, finance minister Hans Eichel wanted a "balanced" budget and auctioned off the frequency licenses for dozens of billions of euros, saddling the carriers with the debt instead of the government), thoroughly incompetent politicians (Merkel's "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland" is just the tip of the iceberg), NIMBYs (sadly, projects for tower construction routinely end up in death threats, and since 5G conspiracies also in actual terrorist attacks), and a populace that to a large degree just doesn't give enough of a fuck.
      - flakeoil 4y ago
        Merkel is probably the worst German politician since...you know that guy. Japan has a nuclear accident, caused by a tsunami and partly due to known issues in the power plant. Merkel: "Oh no, let's close down all our nuclear power plants right away." Merkel: "Oh, we need more energy now when we closed all our nuclear power plants. No problem, my buddy Putin has agreed to build a gas pipeline and provide us will all energy we need." Putin has been rattling his weapons on the border or Ukraine since 2014. Merkel: "No problem, I called my buddy Putin and he said he will not attack. And by the way, no need for us to invest in our defense. We can continue to have Europe's weakest army per capita as Putin said he would not attack." Migrant crisis in 2015. Merkel: "Everyone is welcome! Smugglers, just send them here, we will show our solidarity. Oh, we do not have enough schools, daycare, hospitals to take care of them all? Oh, many are lost teenagers and children without parents who took the chance now when we said everyone was welcome? Well, I guess they can earn their living selling drugs and sex."
wlesieutre 4y ago
At least in the US the 2G networks have already gone. It made news for long-lived devices like cars and ebook readers that had 2G modems built-in. Nissan Leafs used AT&T and it was shut down at the end of 2016. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102612_nissan-leaf-connectivity-update-will-replace-vanishing-2g-network https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102612_nissan-leaf-con...
- joecool1029 4y ago
  It's around for a little more than a year more on T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network-evolution https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network-e... Some areas were never built out with 2G but for the footprint that was always there they have not turned it off since it doesn't impact their spectrum very much. AT&T had poor spectrum planning so had to kill it off sooner to refarm the spectrum.
reaperducer 4y ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. I was on an EDGE connection in Mexico just last month.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Because 2G has already been sunset or has date set for sunset by most carriers around the world.
bestham 4y ago
The Swedish regulator PTS intends to re-assign frequencies in the 900 MHz-, 2.1 GHz- and 2.6 GHz bands during 2023. This will most definitely sunset 2G and 3G in Sweden. With 1800 MHz already being re-assigned in 2017.
mistyvales 4y ago
I thought 2G was still being supported for emergency services in the USA?

Is it? Wikipedia says that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon have already killed it, with only T-Mobile still going until next year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Past_2G_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Past_2G_networks YMMV in other countries of course, but many networks worldwide have already phased it out or are going to soon.

Narkov 4y ago

You do realise that there are countries outside of the USA? Australia has no 2G networks and 3G is approaching EOL.

hackmiester 4y ago
haha, all but one 2G network in the USA is gone, so I suspect they are not from the USA, actually.
IntelMiner 4y ago
I bought a Motorola RAZR 3G for $0.50 while farting around inside a Cashies a while back Turns out it was still locked to Telstra, they demanded *$100* to unlock the damn thing, even though they were turning off their 3G network anyway! Unfortunately all the resources on hacking them has long since succumbed to linkrot, plus getting it hooked up over USB to an XP VM to try and unlock it that way seemed risky
coolg54321 4y ago
In Germany you move farther out of cities, you are stuck with 2G [0] https://www.nperf.com/en/map/DE/-/187895.Telekom/signal/?ll=47.55255094562145&lg=10.611838353797795&zoom=10 https://www.nperf.com/en/map/DE/-/187895.Telekom/signal/?ll=...
- piva00 4y ago
  Germany and internet connection, I can't comprehend how one of the richest countries in the world, in such a small land mass can have such bad connectivity. It's really baffling going here from Sweden where I'm starting to get 5G signal outside of core city areas, get 4G almost across the whole country with speeds of 50-100+Mbps, into the city centre of Berlin and there I fallback to 3G networks every 3rd/4th block walking. Friends living there having terrible experiences with Telekom, almost no fiber available, etc. Germany should enact something like this policy from here: https://pts.se/sv/bransch/internet/bredbandsstrategin/ https://pts.se/sv/bransch/internet/bredbandsstrategin/
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > Germany and internet connection, I can't comprehend how one of the richest countries in the world, in such a small land mass can have such bad connectivity. A combination of toxic financial mindset (back in the early '00s, finance minister Hans Eichel wanted a "balanced" budget and auctioned off the frequency licenses for dozens of billions of euros, saddling the carriers with the debt instead of the government), thoroughly incompetent politicians (Merkel's "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland" is just the tip of the iceberg), NIMBYs (sadly, projects for tower construction routinely end up in death threats, and since 5G conspiracies also in actual terrorist attacks), and a populace that to a large degree just doesn't give enough of a fuck.
    - flakeoil 4y ago
      Merkel is probably the worst German politician since...you know that guy. Japan has a nuclear accident, caused by a tsunami and partly due to known issues in the power plant. Merkel: "Oh no, let's close down all our nuclear power plants right away." Merkel: "Oh, we need more energy now when we closed all our nuclear power plants. No problem, my buddy Putin has agreed to build a gas pipeline and provide us will all energy we need." Putin has been rattling his weapons on the border or Ukraine since 2014. Merkel: "No problem, I called my buddy Putin and he said he will not attack. And by the way, no need for us to invest in our defense. We can continue to have Europe's weakest army per capita as Putin said he would not attack." Migrant crisis in 2015. Merkel: "Everyone is welcome! Smugglers, just send them here, we will show our solidarity. Oh, we do not have enough schools, daycare, hospitals to take care of them all? Oh, many are lost teenagers and children without parents who took the chance now when we said everyone was welcome? Well, I guess they can earn their living selling drugs and sex."

wlesieutre 4y ago

At least in the US the 2G networks have already gone. It made news for long-lived devices like cars and ebook readers that had 2G modems built-in. Nissan Leafs used AT&T and it was shut down at the end of 2016. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102612_nissan-leaf-connectivity-update-will-replace-vanishing-2g-network https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102612_nissan-leaf-con...

joecool1029 4y ago
It's around for a little more than a year more on T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network-evolution https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network-e... Some areas were never built out with 2G but for the footprint that was always there they have not turned it off since it doesn't impact their spectrum very much. AT&T had poor spectrum planning so had to kill it off sooner to refarm the spectrum.

reaperducer 4y ago

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. I was on an EDGE connection in Mexico just last month.

kube-system 4y ago
Because 2G has already been sunset or has date set for sunset by most carriers around the world.

bestham 4y ago

The Swedish regulator PTS intends to re-assign frequencies in the 900 MHz-, 2.1 GHz- and 2.6 GHz bands during 2023. This will most definitely sunset 2G and 3G in Sweden. With 1800 MHz already being re-assigned in 2017.

mistyvales 4y ago

I thought 2G was still being supported for emergency services in the USA?