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It's the current wave of entitled generation, who want more than what the market reality can actually pay them. They were cuddled by free interest rates, above

It's the current wave of entitled generation, who want more than what the market reality can actually pay them. They were cuddled by free interest rates, above average pay first and then during the pandemic by the government. The companies also went along with prioritizing mental well-being, self-care, full-pay-for-no-work culture. The tech workers are under the false assumption that they have the upper hand, in the midst of higher interest rates, competition between companies (reducing profit margins), AI (boosting non-english, non-western workforce skills higher bringing them near par to average western knowledge workers). Companies will accelerate firing and blocking these groups going forward.

jakelazaroff 4y ago
The “current wave of entitled generation”? Union membership in the US is at a historic low. If you equate unionization with entitlement (I don’t) then this is the least entitled generation almost a century.
- scaramanga 4y ago
  Comment of the century.
chasing 4y ago
It’s this disgusting attitude from management that unions form to counter.
CircleSpokes 4y ago
Forming a union isn't entitled. Nothing is wrong with forming and joining a union. Your post is frankly ridiculous.
- gorwell 4y ago
  Forcing an existing organization to bend to your will is textbook entitlement. You can start a new software company and run it the way you want as opposed to parasitizing an existing one. This isn't the 1800s where you have to go build an entire factory. This is software.
  - komali2 4y ago
    > Forcing an existing organization to bend to your will is textbook entitlement. This is a mischaracterization of what unions do. When have you witnessed a union do this? That must be a remarkably powerful union to be making decisions for the entire organization. Unions simply negotiate things related to their members, on behalf of their members. There's no "forcing" involved. If a company doesn't want to meet the union's expectations for the wages and benefits of their members, it can simply fire all the union members or wait for them to strike and hire their replacements. After all, it's just software, how hard could it be to replace the entire team? Surely no harder than a single person simply quitting and building a competitor to Blizzard.
    - dahdum 4y ago
      > If a company doesn't want to meet the union's expectations for the wages and benefits of their members, it can simply fire all the union members or wait for them to strike and hire their replacements. Not agreeing with OP, but you generally can’t fire striking workers. Replacements are difficult as you still owe the striking workers their positions if they return. Lots of caveats to all of that, but it’s definitely not simple. If it were there would be very few private unions.
      - komali2 4y ago
        I was mostly being as facetious and dismissive as the op, their take is so old fashioned I honestly wonder if they're doing a bit.
    - cowl 4y ago
      This is a small Union but Unions in general are a political tool and not for the good of their members. In Italy we had a Union outraged that Tech Employees ere not joining it that it "negotiated"(forced) the government to automatically enroll them (meaning they take a fee from the salaries as a tax) if they did not opt-out. that shows you who the unions are working for and their power.
      - 4y ago
muglug 4y ago
“entitled generation” My parents were in a union and their parents before them. What are you talking about?
- WWLink 4y ago
  He's one of the many temporarily embarrassed millionaires on this site that thinks they're the next Elon Musk.
eastof 4y ago
> entitled generation Of course they feel entitled to this, many young workers just entering the workforce (myself included) haven't known anything else their entire adult lives. How can you blame them and not the government and corporate cronies for instituting these terrible policies in the first place?!
- scaramanga 4y ago
  "Entitled" to the basic human rights enshrined in the UN charter and the ILO. Conditions befitting the dignity of an animal in a zoo, never mind a human being with a profession.
_bohm 4y ago
> cuddled by free interest rates thanks for the chuckle
StopHammoTime 4y ago
My father was a carpenter. He clocked into his shift at a standard wage that had been organised by his union. Any overtime was paid in his weekly cheque. I, on the other hand, have worked multiple jobs where an expectation of 18 hour days 6-7 days a week is not out of scope for the role during periods of crunch. This brings my hourly wage based on salary down to that of someone working at McDonalds. Who exactly is entitled?
- HumanReadable 4y ago
  I sincerely think that if you lived your father's at life your age for a few months, you would come to the conclusion that your life is better. I hate that there's no easy way to run the experiment, but when I talk to my parents about their life at my age, I'm often astounded at how much wealthier my life feels at $27k a year (though I am fortunate to rent a room for free, so my living standard is effectively ~10k higher than it would be for others at the same wage as me). For what it's worth I'm from Denmark, so maybe its totally different in the US.
  - StopHammoTime 4y ago
    That may be the case but if entitlement is based on actual working conditions, then we’ve got far less entitlement. Even today tradespeople get paid $50k more per year than I do and they have far better conditions. They strike all the time and refuse to do work they aren’t paid for.
  - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
    > For what it's worth I'm from Denmark, so maybe its totally different in the US. To weigh in a bit on some of the differences between employment in Denmark and the US. - In the US there are no mandated (paid or unpaid) vacation days/time off (with the exception of 3-4 of the 50 states). - There are no mandated paid sick days. - You are granted at most 12 weeks of unpaid sick leave per year by the FMLA however if you actually take advantage of this, most companies will simply let you go for another, unspecified reason (as you are not required to document or explain why you have let go or fire an employee). - There is no mandated paternity leave, paid or unpaid. Maternity leave falls under unpaid sick leave. - On average (but not required), employees get 10-20 days of paid time off (combined between vacation and sick time). - The US obviously has atrocious health care costs that unless you are very lucky end up eating non-negligible portions of your paycheck. (just insurance before any actual received care is on average is ~450USD/month) - US Universities cost a lot of money and if you aren't going into the trades, you will be dedicating a large, non-negligible portion of your paycheck towards paying loans (avg: ~40k USD loans, ~150-300USD/month). - In almost any part of the US outside of a small selection of major cities, you cannot work or live without a car. (avg car insurance ~150USD/month, avg cost of fuel ~150-200USD/month, maintenance, etc can be assumed to be another 25-100USD/month). ---- That works out to on average around ~900-1200USD/month or ~10.8k-14.4k USD/year in costs (if you aren't going to university you can subtract 450USD/month or 5400USD/year from this) that are essentially unavoidable for the overwhelming majority of Americans which likely are avoidable in a country like Denmark as long as you don't live in an overly rural area. Realistically this means that for the average American (~31k/year), anywhere from 17-46% of their income goes to expenses that aren't necessarily applicable to people in a decent chunk of western Europe (particularly the urban/suburban parts). And on top of this, for many Americans, any life complication or sickness that prevents them from working causes that percentage to rise (both from increased costs and decreased income).

jakelazaroff 4y ago

The “current wave of entitled generation”? Union membership in the US is at a historic low. If you equate unionization with entitlement (I don’t) then this is the least entitled generation almost a century.

scaramanga 4y ago
Comment of the century.

chasing 4y ago

It’s this disgusting attitude from management that unions form to counter.

CircleSpokes 4y ago

Forming a union isn't entitled. Nothing is wrong with forming and joining a union. Your post is frankly ridiculous.

gorwell 4y ago
Forcing an existing organization to bend to your will is textbook entitlement. You can start a new software company and run it the way you want as opposed to parasitizing an existing one. This isn't the 1800s where you have to go build an entire factory. This is software.
- komali2 4y ago
  > Forcing an existing organization to bend to your will is textbook entitlement. This is a mischaracterization of what unions do. When have you witnessed a union do this? That must be a remarkably powerful union to be making decisions for the entire organization. Unions simply negotiate things related to their members, on behalf of their members. There's no "forcing" involved. If a company doesn't want to meet the union's expectations for the wages and benefits of their members, it can simply fire all the union members or wait for them to strike and hire their replacements. After all, it's just software, how hard could it be to replace the entire team? Surely no harder than a single person simply quitting and building a competitor to Blizzard.
  - dahdum 4y ago
    > If a company doesn't want to meet the union's expectations for the wages and benefits of their members, it can simply fire all the union members or wait for them to strike and hire their replacements. Not agreeing with OP, but you generally can’t fire striking workers. Replacements are difficult as you still owe the striking workers their positions if they return. Lots of caveats to all of that, but it’s definitely not simple. If it were there would be very few private unions.
    - komali2 4y ago
      I was mostly being as facetious and dismissive as the op, their take is so old fashioned I honestly wonder if they're doing a bit.
  - cowl 4y ago
    This is a small Union but Unions in general are a political tool and not for the good of their members. In Italy we had a Union outraged that Tech Employees ere not joining it that it "negotiated"(forced) the government to automatically enroll them (meaning they take a fee from the salaries as a tax) if they did not opt-out. that shows you who the unions are working for and their power.
    - 4y ago

muglug 4y ago

“entitled generation” My parents were in a union and their parents before them. What are you talking about?

WWLink 4y ago
He's one of the many temporarily embarrassed millionaires on this site that thinks they're the next Elon Musk.

eastof 4y ago

> entitled generation Of course they feel entitled to this, many young workers just entering the workforce (myself included) haven't known anything else their entire adult lives. How can you blame them and not the government and corporate cronies for instituting these terrible policies in the first place?!

scaramanga 4y ago
"Entitled" to the basic human rights enshrined in the UN charter and the ILO. Conditions befitting the dignity of an animal in a zoo, never mind a human being with a profession.

_bohm 4y ago

> cuddled by free interest rates thanks for the chuckle

StopHammoTime 4y ago

My father was a carpenter. He clocked into his shift at a standard wage that had been organised by his union. Any overtime was paid in his weekly cheque. I, on the other hand, have worked multiple jobs where an expectation of 18 hour days 6-7 days a week is not out of scope for the role during periods of crunch. This brings my hourly wage based on salary down to that of someone working at McDonalds. Who exactly is entitled?

HumanReadable 4y ago
I sincerely think that if you lived your father's at life your age for a few months, you would come to the conclusion that your life is better. I hate that there's no easy way to run the experiment, but when I talk to my parents about their life at my age, I'm often astounded at how much wealthier my life feels at $27k a year (though I am fortunate to rent a room for free, so my living standard is effectively ~10k higher than it would be for others at the same wage as me). For what it's worth I'm from Denmark, so maybe its totally different in the US.
- StopHammoTime 4y ago
  That may be the case but if entitlement is based on actual working conditions, then we’ve got far less entitlement. Even today tradespeople get paid $50k more per year than I do and they have far better conditions. They strike all the time and refuse to do work they aren’t paid for.
- CuriousCosmic 4y ago
  > For what it's worth I'm from Denmark, so maybe its totally different in the US. To weigh in a bit on some of the differences between employment in Denmark and the US. - In the US there are no mandated (paid or unpaid) vacation days/time off (with the exception of 3-4 of the 50 states). - There are no mandated paid sick days. - You are granted at most 12 weeks of unpaid sick leave per year by the FMLA however if you actually take advantage of this, most companies will simply let you go for another, unspecified reason (as you are not required to document or explain why you have let go or fire an employee). - There is no mandated paternity leave, paid or unpaid. Maternity leave falls under unpaid sick leave. - On average (but not required), employees get 10-20 days of paid time off (combined between vacation and sick time). - The US obviously has atrocious health care costs that unless you are very lucky end up eating non-negligible portions of your paycheck. (just insurance before any actual received care is on average is ~450USD/month) - US Universities cost a lot of money and if you aren't going into the trades, you will be dedicating a large, non-negligible portion of your paycheck towards paying loans (avg: ~40k USD loans, ~150-300USD/month). - In almost any part of the US outside of a small selection of major cities, you cannot work or live without a car. (avg car insurance ~150USD/month, avg cost of fuel ~150-200USD/month, maintenance, etc can be assumed to be another 25-100USD/month). ---- That works out to on average around ~900-1200USD/month or ~10.8k-14.4k USD/year in costs (if you aren't going to university you can subtract 450USD/month or 5400USD/year from this) that are essentially unavoidable for the overwhelming majority of Americans which likely are avoidable in a country like Denmark as long as you don't live in an overly rural area. Realistically this means that for the average American (~31k/year), anywhere from 17-46% of their income goes to expenses that aren't necessarily applicable to people in a decent chunk of western Europe (particularly the urban/suburban parts). And on top of this, for many Americans, any life complication or sickness that prevents them from working causes that percentage to rise (both from increased costs and decreased income).