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> Play a videogame > Stop worshipping TV and movies and entertainment

by cronix 4y ago

pdntspa 4y ago
Well, ok then, I guess anything entertaining is off limits. Is that the bad-faith argument you are making? Maybe I should have rephrased that to 'passive' entertainment.
- water-your-self 4y ago
  The video game industry is quickly approaching the television industry. It has become simply an interactive tool for narrative delivery. Its simply a matter of time before the cancerous growth of capitalism gets its fingers into the media even deeper. Mark my words. Gaming is trending towards subscription service, and advertising will only find its way deeper into the way content is delivered until your sessions are 20 minutes long with 5 minutes for ads. Illegalize advertising.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    It certainly feels that way. I am playing fewer and fewer new titles, and find that I keep returning to classics. Even 'indie' stuff is starting to feel very same-ish
    - mattgreenrocks 4y ago
      AAA is a bit dodgy these days. Lots of filler content and poor writing. Indies have a wider variance of quality but there’s usually a handful every year that are superb. Gaming definitely has been taking a back seat in my life the past few years though. Except Elden Ring. I loved my time there, bloated as the game is at times.
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    >Gaming is trending towards subscription service One of the reasons I'm glad Stadia failed. I don't think that continuing costs can be avoided for online multiplayer where continuous support is necessary, but single-player offline games would likely get swept up in this tide as well. I also play way less games nowadays, and mostly for Switch, for which I prefer the physical cartridges. I'm honestly not even sure if disks are still sold for the newest Xbox or Playstation. Of course, PC/Steam vs console could keep things from completely sucking for consumers. Hopefully?
- FormerBandmate 4y ago
  How is a video game superior to TV? Storylines on prestige TV shows blow most videogames out of the water
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    Idunno, beating Cyberpunk 2077 elicited more of an emotional reaction from me than anything TV or movies has done. Baldur's Gate, Anachronox, Oblivion, hell even the old final fantasy games had so much more going for them story-wise than pretty much anything Hollywood could come up with save for its most longest-running series.
    - ask_b123 4y ago
      I don't disagree with the value of videogames, but I'm sure that my grandma could say the same about (some of?) her soap operas/doramas.
      - pdntspa 4y ago
        The apt comparison there would be books to soaps, I would think. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could defend soaps for their narrative depth.
    - brewdad 4y ago
      So it's a matter of personal preference rather than an inherent value in video games. Plenty of sports fans have emotional responses to their team's successes and failures. It's not my scene, but the popularity of the various -Cons suggests there is a huge crowd who feels similarly about certain TV shows and movies.
  - taeric 4y ago
    I will make no defense of video game stories... but I find it laughable to hold up most "prestige" TV shows. How do the "prestige" video games hold up against most TV shows? :D Putting charity to the claim, since you do have to interact with games, I could see how the thought could be that they are more mentally stimulating. Gambling, of course, gives the lie to that claim. Addictive does not mean productive, and all of that. That said, why do so many folks obsess over productivity?
- cronix 4y ago
  > I guess anything entertaining is off limits I was just using your own words to show you the 2 quoted statements you made are in direct opposition to each other. They are all entertainment. That's all.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    Of course, and we all write extremely plainly and without context.
- tzs 4y ago
  Reading books was on your approved list. How is that not passive entertainment?
  - corbulo 4y ago
    Good books are far from passive. The worse a book is the more passive, but the reader always has to use reading comprehension to understand a book.
    - pdntspa 4y ago
      This is exactly why video has taken over reading. As soon as we had the tech for it it became mainstream because it is so brainless and flashy
      - LocalH 4y ago
        The "brainlessness" of television is the fault of content producers, not the medium itself. Fred Rogers was probably one of the greatest users of television.
sp332 4y ago
Yeah. I mean, personally I like TV and movies, but video games are more interactive.

> Play a videogame > Stop worshipping TV and movies and entertainment

by cronix 4y ago

> Play a videogame > Stop worshipping TV and movies and entertainment

Well, ok then, I guess anything entertaining is off limits. Is that the bad-faith argument you are making? Maybe I should have rephrased that to 'passive' entertainment.

water-your-self 4y ago
The video game industry is quickly approaching the television industry. It has become simply an interactive tool for narrative delivery. Its simply a matter of time before the cancerous growth of capitalism gets its fingers into the media even deeper. Mark my words. Gaming is trending towards subscription service, and advertising will only find its way deeper into the way content is delivered until your sessions are 20 minutes long with 5 minutes for ads. Illegalize advertising.
- pdntspa 4y ago
  It certainly feels that way. I am playing fewer and fewer new titles, and find that I keep returning to classics. Even 'indie' stuff is starting to feel very same-ish
  - mattgreenrocks 4y ago
    AAA is a bit dodgy these days. Lots of filler content and poor writing. Indies have a wider variance of quality but there’s usually a handful every year that are superb. Gaming definitely has been taking a back seat in my life the past few years though. Except Elden Ring. I loved my time there, bloated as the game is at times.
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  >Gaming is trending towards subscription service One of the reasons I'm glad Stadia failed. I don't think that continuing costs can be avoided for online multiplayer where continuous support is necessary, but single-player offline games would likely get swept up in this tide as well. I also play way less games nowadays, and mostly for Switch, for which I prefer the physical cartridges. I'm honestly not even sure if disks are still sold for the newest Xbox or Playstation. Of course, PC/Steam vs console could keep things from completely sucking for consumers. Hopefully?
FormerBandmate 4y ago
How is a video game superior to TV? Storylines on prestige TV shows blow most videogames out of the water
- pdntspa 4y ago
  Idunno, beating Cyberpunk 2077 elicited more of an emotional reaction from me than anything TV or movies has done. Baldur's Gate, Anachronox, Oblivion, hell even the old final fantasy games had so much more going for them story-wise than pretty much anything Hollywood could come up with save for its most longest-running series.
  - ask_b123 4y ago
    I don't disagree with the value of videogames, but I'm sure that my grandma could say the same about (some of?) her soap operas/doramas.
    - pdntspa 4y ago
      The apt comparison there would be books to soaps, I would think. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could defend soaps for their narrative depth.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    So it's a matter of personal preference rather than an inherent value in video games. Plenty of sports fans have emotional responses to their team's successes and failures. It's not my scene, but the popularity of the various -Cons suggests there is a huge crowd who feels similarly about certain TV shows and movies.
- taeric 4y ago
  I will make no defense of video game stories... but I find it laughable to hold up most "prestige" TV shows. How do the "prestige" video games hold up against most TV shows? :D Putting charity to the claim, since you do have to interact with games, I could see how the thought could be that they are more mentally stimulating. Gambling, of course, gives the lie to that claim. Addictive does not mean productive, and all of that. That said, why do so many folks obsess over productivity?
cronix 4y ago
> I guess anything entertaining is off limits I was just using your own words to show you the 2 quoted statements you made are in direct opposition to each other. They are all entertainment. That's all.
- pdntspa 4y ago
  Of course, and we all write extremely plainly and without context.
tzs 4y ago
Reading books was on your approved list. How is that not passive entertainment?
- corbulo 4y ago
  Good books are far from passive. The worse a book is the more passive, but the reader always has to use reading comprehension to understand a book.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    This is exactly why video has taken over reading. As soon as we had the tech for it it became mainstream because it is so brainless and flashy
    - LocalH 4y ago
      The "brainlessness" of television is the fault of content producers, not the medium itself. Fred Rogers was probably one of the greatest users of television.

sp332 4y ago

Yeah. I mean, personally I like TV and movies, but video games are more interactive.