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Unionisation, I'd wager, will come to the tech world a lot more. No one cared about unions when they could easily find new jobs. Now that's not so certain wit

Unionisation, I'd wager, will come to the tech world a lot more. No one cared about unions when they could easily find new jobs. Now that's not so certain with the rise of AI. (Edit: and all these redundancies, yes)

warbeforepeace 4y ago
The rise of AI isn't causing a drop in tech jobs. Its the crazy over hiring that happened during 2020/2021, the lack of confidence in the economy, and rising interest rates. The AI boom overall will most likely add more jobs to tech with everyone wanting to invest resources in it.
- scaramanga 4y ago
  Not even. It's the total failure of management to find any useful work for those people to do. They are supposed to be the smart guys who make the big bucks in return for efficiently allocating capital to productive activities. They, apparently, couldn't think of any productive activities, and instead have spaffed it up the wall inventing "taxis, but worse", an automatic plagiarizer, and a variety of unprofitable websites whose goal is to herd and trap users before making the website shit in exchange for money so they can milk cash from entrapped users before a competitor manages to scale their moat. It's bizarre considering the scale of problems humanity faces (not even including the serious stuff like climate change) that these people cannot find any useful work for all those talented hands to be set to. People are right not to have confidence in a system that seems to so have obviously and clearly failed to do things that you imagine any reasonably bright person would be able to do (ie. find useful and profitable things for talented people to get on with, given an unlimited free-money faucet for a decade and a half).
Apocryphon 4y ago
It's not even something as speculative as AI. Just not having ZIRP has changed the game.
f6v 4y ago
I bet people said the same about AI when Watson won Jeopardy. A more real catalyst could be the recent tech sector cooldown. The again, would someone dare unionizing when your position could be cut.
- tarkin2 4y ago
  Watson wasn't pumping out code in response to non technical input though.
  - parineum 4y ago
    GPT 4 code sucks. It can write you a function/method/script if you give it an outline of what you need but it's awful at anything remotely complex and everything it spits out needs to be understood by somebody so it can be checked. It can save a developer time but it only replaces people in that one person can be more productive which is absolutely nothing new. The reason for that is because it's not AI, it's ML. It doesn't understand anything.
    - sp332 4y ago
      If one coder can do the work of four, the other three are out of a job.
      - penteract 4y ago
        Which is exactly why programmer numbers plummeted as development shifted to higher level languages.
        tarkin2 4y ago
        Fair, though sadly sarky, argument. Those languages came about during the boom of websites and apps, however. And more code was being written, rewritten and maintained by coders--now, instead, it's looking like it'll be generated, tested, analysed and regenerated.
      - 4y ago
roflyear 4y ago
If AI heads in the direction you're suggesting, it will only increase the demand for tech workers.

warbeforepeace 4y ago

The rise of AI isn't causing a drop in tech jobs. Its the crazy over hiring that happened during 2020/2021, the lack of confidence in the economy, and rising interest rates. The AI boom overall will most likely add more jobs to tech with everyone wanting to invest resources in it.

scaramanga 4y ago
Not even. It's the total failure of management to find any useful work for those people to do. They are supposed to be the smart guys who make the big bucks in return for efficiently allocating capital to productive activities. They, apparently, couldn't think of any productive activities, and instead have spaffed it up the wall inventing "taxis, but worse", an automatic plagiarizer, and a variety of unprofitable websites whose goal is to herd and trap users before making the website shit in exchange for money so they can milk cash from entrapped users before a competitor manages to scale their moat. It's bizarre considering the scale of problems humanity faces (not even including the serious stuff like climate change) that these people cannot find any useful work for all those talented hands to be set to. People are right not to have confidence in a system that seems to so have obviously and clearly failed to do things that you imagine any reasonably bright person would be able to do (ie. find useful and profitable things for talented people to get on with, given an unlimited free-money faucet for a decade and a half).

Apocryphon 4y ago

It's not even something as speculative as AI. Just not having ZIRP has changed the game.

f6v 4y ago

I bet people said the same about AI when Watson won Jeopardy. A more real catalyst could be the recent tech sector cooldown. The again, would someone dare unionizing when your position could be cut.

tarkin2 4y ago
Watson wasn't pumping out code in response to non technical input though.
- parineum 4y ago
  GPT 4 code sucks. It can write you a function/method/script if you give it an outline of what you need but it's awful at anything remotely complex and everything it spits out needs to be understood by somebody so it can be checked. It can save a developer time but it only replaces people in that one person can be more productive which is absolutely nothing new. The reason for that is because it's not AI, it's ML. It doesn't understand anything.
  - sp332 4y ago
    If one coder can do the work of four, the other three are out of a job.
    - penteract 4y ago
      Which is exactly why programmer numbers plummeted as development shifted to higher level languages.
      - tarkin2 4y ago
        Fair, though sadly sarky, argument. Those languages came about during the boom of websites and apps, however. And more code was being written, rewritten and maintained by coders--now, instead, it's looking like it'll be generated, tested, analysed and regenerated.
    - 4y ago

roflyear 4y ago

If AI heads in the direction you're suggesting, it will only increase the demand for tech workers.