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In many ways I do agree with you, but by now all these front-end frameworks and libraries, including their server-side rendered counterparts (like Nuxt, Next, e

In many ways I do agree with you, but by now all these front-end frameworks and libraries, including their server-side rendered counterparts (like Nuxt, Next, etc.) just keep borrowing things from each other. Regarding performance, I remember having blocking sluggishness with v-model that shouldn’t have been there back in Vue 2 days. Also, for example, in Vue 3, my favorite component library Buefy (based on Bulma) is no longer available, and I don't think any of the other ones have (arguably) come so close and extensive to what I want. Vue 2's transition to Vue 3 (if you want to use the new CLI tools and the Composition API) had to, by definition, fragment the ecosystem in unpleasant ways no matter how carefully and sensibly it was managed by the core teams in charge. You can see that Vue went down slightly in recent developer surveys, and I suspect this to be among the main reasons. As if Evan himself would be suddenly more focused on his build tool Vite as opposed to Vue itself (of course it's just an illusion). But I still love Vue because of their amazing docs, and the fact that they let me enter the world of web-development in a relatively accessible manner (this may not have been possible with React, for me personally). Lack of something like scoped styles alone baffles me in React to this day, but it makes kinda sense in the ecosystem it's operating in...

epolanski 4y ago
Oh, nice for reminding me, SSR is also better imho on Vue with Nuxt than anything in react world. Next.js has the tendency of monkey patching plenty of APIs, even broke native fetch when uploading anything bigger than 14 kbs.
- Rauchg 4y ago
  To clarify: there's no "native" fetch to patch. Both Nuxt and Next have been adding it to the runtime to normalize it across Node.js versions and environments, and to add critical capabilities that the Web standard lacked (like being able to read the `set-cookie` header or customize `Host`). Worth noting: we've been enabling SSR for React since 2016[1], and some of the largest websites on the internet SSR with Next.js: Twitch, Hulu, Nike, and even parts of Amazon[2] [1] https://vercel.com/blog/next https://vercel.com/blog/next [2] https://twitter.com/rauchg/status/1594779272945627136 https://twitter.com/rauchg/status/1594779272945627136
- MoSattler 4y ago
  Remix is the gold standard of SSR to be honest. I worked with both, Nuxt and Next.js, but Remix with is heavy usage of web standards just makes the most sense to me.
KronisLV 4y ago
> Also, for example, in Vue 3, my favorite component library Buefy (based on Bulma) is no longer available, and I don't think any of the other ones have (arguably) come so close and extensive to what I want. I had a look at the component libraries that are compatible with Vue 3 a while back and concluded that either PrimeVue or Quasar are some of the better choices for my web dev needs. Surprisingly, many of the formerly popular options are stuck with just Vue 2 support.
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- lolinder 4y ago
  Vuetify is back now, and I've really been enjoying it for a side project.

epolanski 4y ago

Oh, nice for reminding me, SSR is also better imho on Vue with Nuxt than anything in react world. Next.js has the tendency of monkey patching plenty of APIs, even broke native fetch when uploading anything bigger than 14 kbs.

Rauchg 4y ago
To clarify: there's no "native" fetch to patch. Both Nuxt and Next have been adding it to the runtime to normalize it across Node.js versions and environments, and to add critical capabilities that the Web standard lacked (like being able to read the `set-cookie` header or customize `Host`). Worth noting: we've been enabling SSR for React since 2016[1], and some of the largest websites on the internet SSR with Next.js: Twitch, Hulu, Nike, and even parts of Amazon[2] [1] https://vercel.com/blog/next https://vercel.com/blog/next [2] https://twitter.com/rauchg/status/1594779272945627136 https://twitter.com/rauchg/status/1594779272945627136
MoSattler 4y ago
Remix is the gold standard of SSR to be honest. I worked with both, Nuxt and Next.js, but Remix with is heavy usage of web standards just makes the most sense to me.

KronisLV 4y ago

> Also, for example, in Vue 3, my favorite component library Buefy (based on Bulma) is no longer available, and I don't think any of the other ones have (arguably) come so close and extensive to what I want. I had a look at the component libraries that are compatible with Vue 3 a while back and concluded that either PrimeVue or Quasar are some of the better choices for my web dev needs. Surprisingly, many of the formerly popular options are stuck with just Vue 2 support.

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lolinder 4y ago
Vuetify is back now, and I've really been enjoying it for a side project.