4 ms·

> Doesn’t this effectively target all the best employees? No, because a huge percentage of the best employees are on H1Bs and have no choice but to stay. Big

> Doesn’t this effectively target all the best employees? No, because a huge percentage of the best employees are on H1Bs and have no choice but to stay. Big tech might have some issues when the carpet gets pulled on H1B rules XOR H1B allocations during the next administration. I'm like 99.9% sure that the status quo will end one way or the other (I'm hoping it'll be rules but scared that it'll be allocations).

Waterluvian 4y ago
Oh right. Good point about the H1B capture.
klipklop 4y ago
They will just outsource and deal with the time zone issues. For now they have the best of both worlds.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  Data and IP sovereignty makes this increasingly difficult, and in many cases the internationality of the talent simply doesn't buy you any savings (eg any model beyond 100b params or so, anything where you need 9 9s, etc.). Source: been in c-level convos on exactly this topic. Agree with work-a-day code slinging, but that profession is a few years away from becoming 99.9% product management anyways. In tech, if a job is in danger of outsourcing, it's either data annotation work or is probably cheaper and easier to automate sans product design/management. Also: if we're talking actual top-tier talent -- mostly O1, not H1B, btw -- you can get very top tier talent for not much more in rural Colorado/Missouri compared to Delhi / Hong Kong / São Paulo. And without the risk of a state actor saying "fuck you this belongs to me now".
  - nicolas_t 4y ago
    Kind of funny seeing Hong Kong listed with Delhi and Sao Paulo considering the fact that rent in Hong Kong is roughly similar in San Francisco (I pay 3800 usd a month for 520 square feet) and salaries reflect that. That said I agree about the availability of top tier talent for relatively cheep in rural Colorado/Missouri but I don't think that'll stay the case for very long with the increasing move to remote teams (even with companies like amazon refusing to be remote).

Waterluvian 4y ago

Oh right. Good point about the H1B capture.

klipklop 4y ago

They will just outsource and deal with the time zone issues. For now they have the best of both worlds.

thwayunion 4y ago
Data and IP sovereignty makes this increasingly difficult, and in many cases the internationality of the talent simply doesn't buy you any savings (eg any model beyond 100b params or so, anything where you need 9 9s, etc.). Source: been in c-level convos on exactly this topic. Agree with work-a-day code slinging, but that profession is a few years away from becoming 99.9% product management anyways. In tech, if a job is in danger of outsourcing, it's either data annotation work or is probably cheaper and easier to automate sans product design/management. Also: if we're talking actual top-tier talent -- mostly O1, not H1B, btw -- you can get very top tier talent for not much more in rural Colorado/Missouri compared to Delhi / Hong Kong / São Paulo. And without the risk of a state actor saying "fuck you this belongs to me now".
- nicolas_t 4y ago
  Kind of funny seeing Hong Kong listed with Delhi and Sao Paulo considering the fact that rent in Hong Kong is roughly similar in San Francisco (I pay 3800 usd a month for 520 square feet) and salaries reflect that. That said I agree about the availability of top tier talent for relatively cheep in rural Colorado/Missouri but I don't think that'll stay the case for very long with the increasing move to remote teams (even with companies like amazon refusing to be remote).