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> if JD is so bad why do people keep buying them Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? They certainly don't respect the ri

> if JD is so bad why do people keep buying them Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? They certainly don't respect the right to repair either. Likewise, people buy JD because it's a well-known brand. If you asked people what they wanted 100 years ago, they would say they wanted a faster horse. It's hard to advocate for something that people don't realize they don't have.

tick_tock_tick 4y ago
> Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? Because most people don't care about the right to repair or are completely uniformed. Neither of which should apply to a professional farmer.
WheatMillington 4y ago
Farmers are pretty knowledgeable about the equipment they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on. The idea they're just picking JD because of name recognition is insulting.
- chasil 4y ago
  I understand that, when they work, the products are amazing, even up to the point that Deere can obtain satellite imagery of a farm and work it autonomously, without the owner of the equipment present. Many times, the products do not work, and repair is locked to approved equipment that is confirmed and authorized remotely - no authorization, no repair, no operational equipment. The last Defcon conference shattered the control that the corporation is able to exercise over this equipment, because of bad security design. There is a major effort to rethink (and improve) this control, but everything on the market now is irretrievably broken from the perspective of the embedded electronics preventing unauthorized repairs. There are other problems, one involving a fatality at a recent union strike, the GPL violations above, right to repair, and the (lack of) staff to correctly address said adversity. It will be interesting to see what transpires.
- wander_homer 4y ago
  Maybe I'm just in my small bubble and/or the situation in Germany is quite different, but when I look at the farms in the area I grew up in, including my father's farm, then most of them are absolutely loyal to whatever brand their family has been using for centuries. My father didn't even test or look at others brands when he bought his tractors.
  - jocaal 4y ago
    Yeah, look at the toyota vs ford debates for trucks, these people are extremely brand loyal
gonehome 4y ago
> Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? Because there aren’t better products? Knowing nothing, I’d suspect the same of JD.
MikusR 4y ago
There is a better phone with stylus than the one Samsung makes?

tick_tock_tick 4y ago

> Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? Because most people don't care about the right to repair or are completely uniformed. Neither of which should apply to a professional farmer.

WheatMillington 4y ago

Farmers are pretty knowledgeable about the equipment they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on. The idea they're just picking JD because of name recognition is insulting.

chasil 4y ago
I understand that, when they work, the products are amazing, even up to the point that Deere can obtain satellite imagery of a farm and work it autonomously, without the owner of the equipment present. Many times, the products do not work, and repair is locked to approved equipment that is confirmed and authorized remotely - no authorization, no repair, no operational equipment. The last Defcon conference shattered the control that the corporation is able to exercise over this equipment, because of bad security design. There is a major effort to rethink (and improve) this control, but everything on the market now is irretrievably broken from the perspective of the embedded electronics preventing unauthorized repairs. There are other problems, one involving a fatality at a recent union strike, the GPL violations above, right to repair, and the (lack of) staff to correctly address said adversity. It will be interesting to see what transpires.
wander_homer 4y ago
Maybe I'm just in my small bubble and/or the situation in Germany is quite different, but when I look at the farms in the area I grew up in, including my father's farm, then most of them are absolutely loyal to whatever brand their family has been using for centuries. My father didn't even test or look at others brands when he bought his tractors.
- jocaal 4y ago
  Yeah, look at the toyota vs ford debates for trucks, these people are extremely brand loyal

gonehome 4y ago

> Why do people keep buying Samsung or Apple when there are better products? Because there aren’t better products? Knowing nothing, I’d suspect the same of JD.

MikusR 4y ago

There is a better phone with stylus than the one Samsung makes?