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There is no way only 5% of people understand this joke.

by sbdaman 4y ago

bigbacaloa 4y ago
Sure there is. It's not funny.
- Nifty3929 4y ago
  One can understand it and still not think it's funny
  - drewcoo 4y ago
    But what do the remaining two philosophers think?
- deleted 4y ago
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siva7 4y ago
You have very much fate in your fellow humans intellectual ability :)
- sbdaman 4y ago
  I think you likely just underestimate your peers. People aren't as stupid as the internet wants you to think.
aaroninsf 4y ago
I would be surprised if 5% of college-completing or comparably-educated adults got it. A vanishingly small percentage of people know anything about formal logic. And of those only some fraction internalized it well enough to be facile with it. If there's one thing more widespread than innumeracy, it's the equivalent wrt syllogistic reasoning.
bena 4y ago
I think the caveat might be "until the logic is explained to them". Kind of like the Monty Hall problem. Some people intuitively get it. They understand that opening one door does not change the odds that they picked the wrong door at first. Some people need to see it played out or have it explained. But once they understand, it's fine.
- jmfldn 4y ago
  Monty Hall isn't like this imho, that's a legit 'veridical paradox' that famously wrong-foots mathematicians. This is pretty obvious to anyone who knows basic logic, or programmers who work with Booleans all day. That subset of people is quite small though probably.
- HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
  > They understand that opening one door does not change the odds that they picked the wrong door at first. Yes, they had 1-in-3 chance of getting it right originally, and that won't change if they do nothing... But of course that means there was a 2-in-3 chance it was one of the other two doors, and one of those has just been eliminated by being opened, meaning the 2-in-3 chance of being right is represented by the remaining door.... So, do you stick with your original door which has 1-in-3 chance of being right, or switch to the other door which you now know has a 2-in-3 chance of being right ? The key is that they are now being offered the choice to make a better informed choice than they had originally.
drewcoo 4y ago
> There is no way only 5% of people understand this joke. I don't really understand. If the bartender's question were "would you each like a drink," the explanation makes sense, but the original language muddies things too much. The "can I" can be understood as "am I able" or as "may I?" The "a drink" for "you all" is a different sense of things also: are the logicians meant to share? If they're meant to have a shared drink, then an "I don't know" signals that the respondent does not want to drink. That's the opposite sense in which the joke was apparently intended. Why are the first two responses questions? That makes no sense to me at all. Expecting other people to understand the joke seems illogical to me. Is it best understood as a joke on anyone attempting to follow the logic of the joke?

There is no way only 5% of people understand this joke.

bigbacaloa 4y ago

Sure there is. It's not funny.

Nifty3929 4y ago
One can understand it and still not think it's funny
- drewcoo 4y ago
  But what do the remaining two philosophers think?
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siva7 4y ago

You have very much fate in your fellow humans intellectual ability :)

sbdaman 4y ago
I think you likely just underestimate your peers. People aren't as stupid as the internet wants you to think.

aaroninsf 4y ago

I would be surprised if 5% of college-completing or comparably-educated adults got it. A vanishingly small percentage of people know anything about formal logic. And of those only some fraction internalized it well enough to be facile with it. If there's one thing more widespread than innumeracy, it's the equivalent wrt syllogistic reasoning.

bena 4y ago

I think the caveat might be "until the logic is explained to them". Kind of like the Monty Hall problem. Some people intuitively get it. They understand that opening one door does not change the odds that they picked the wrong door at first. Some people need to see it played out or have it explained. But once they understand, it's fine.

jmfldn 4y ago
Monty Hall isn't like this imho, that's a legit 'veridical paradox' that famously wrong-foots mathematicians. This is pretty obvious to anyone who knows basic logic, or programmers who work with Booleans all day. That subset of people is quite small though probably.
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
> They understand that opening one door does not change the odds that they picked the wrong door at first. Yes, they had 1-in-3 chance of getting it right originally, and that won't change if they do nothing... But of course that means there was a 2-in-3 chance it was one of the other two doors, and one of those has just been eliminated by being opened, meaning the 2-in-3 chance of being right is represented by the remaining door.... So, do you stick with your original door which has 1-in-3 chance of being right, or switch to the other door which you now know has a 2-in-3 chance of being right ? The key is that they are now being offered the choice to make a better informed choice than they had originally.

drewcoo 4y ago

> There is no way only 5% of people understand this joke. I don't really understand. If the bartender's question were "would you each like a drink," the explanation makes sense, but the original language muddies things too much. The "can I" can be understood as "am I able" or as "may I?" The "a drink" for "you all" is a different sense of things also: are the logicians meant to share? If they're meant to have a shared drink, then an "I don't know" signals that the respondent does not want to drink. That's the opposite sense in which the joke was apparently intended. Why are the first two responses questions? That makes no sense to me at all. Expecting other people to understand the joke seems illogical to me. Is it best understood as a joke on anyone attempting to follow the logic of the joke?