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Notice it became a problem when pilots began getting sick and it could not be hidden anymore. At the same time pilots are the most exposed, as they are airborne

Notice it became a problem when pilots began getting sick and it could not be hidden anymore. At the same time pilots are the most exposed, as they are airborne the most. You, the passenger, probably don’t fly enough for it to necessitate an immediate response

nawgz 4y ago
I feel like you are implying conspiracy-like behavior, instead of recognizing the absurd rarity of the event: > "Over a two-year period, nearly 400 pilots, flight attendants and passengers reported receiving medical attention after these “fume events,” and four dozen pilots were described as impaired to the point of being unable to perform their duties, The Times found." This same two year period flew about 280 million "passengers", obviously not unique, but 400 / 280 000 000 ~= 1 in 15000 I don't think that this is about being covered up so much as obfuscated. That's a low-frequency event.
- HPsquared 4y ago
  Low-level exposures will surely be MUCH more frequent than that. Harm caused by occupational exposure to hazardous chemicals is usually a chronic, cumulative, delayed onset type of thing.
  - nawgz 4y ago
    I don't mean to downplay; clearly and surely this should be investigated. But actually, I typo'd quite badly: the ratio is 1 in 700000, not 1 in 15000 (how did I make that mistake?) Anyways, I hope it's clear that a 1 in 700000 event is hard to detect.
- sml156 4y ago
  If you told me that if I leave my house at 10:00 PM to-nite and I had a probability 1/15000 chance of dying or become incapacitated I would more than likely wait five or ten mins before leaving.
  - yuliyp 4y ago
    50-year-old males have a 1/75000 chance of dying on any given day. 70-year-old males have a 1/15000 chance of dying on any given day. See https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
  - nawgz 4y ago
    Edit: I do apologize, I typo'd. My ratio should have been 1 in 700k, not 1 in 15k > of dying or become incapacitated Sorry, I don't see any death in the logs, can you point me to recent aviation deaths that were caused by this? > or become incapacitated For instance, you have a ~1 in 366 chance of being in a car accident per 1000 miles driven. I think you should stay home more often, or learn more about probability.

nawgz 4y ago

I feel like you are implying conspiracy-like behavior, instead of recognizing the absurd rarity of the event: > "Over a two-year period, nearly 400 pilots, flight attendants and passengers reported receiving medical attention after these “fume events,” and four dozen pilots were described as impaired to the point of being unable to perform their duties, The Times found." This same two year period flew about 280 million "passengers", obviously not unique, but 400 / 280 000 000 ~= 1 in 15000 I don't think that this is about being covered up so much as obfuscated. That's a low-frequency event.

HPsquared 4y ago
Low-level exposures will surely be MUCH more frequent than that. Harm caused by occupational exposure to hazardous chemicals is usually a chronic, cumulative, delayed onset type of thing.
- nawgz 4y ago
  I don't mean to downplay; clearly and surely this should be investigated. But actually, I typo'd quite badly: the ratio is 1 in 700000, not 1 in 15000 (how did I make that mistake?) Anyways, I hope it's clear that a 1 in 700000 event is hard to detect.
sml156 4y ago
If you told me that if I leave my house at 10:00 PM to-nite and I had a probability 1/15000 chance of dying or become incapacitated I would more than likely wait five or ten mins before leaving.
- yuliyp 4y ago
  50-year-old males have a 1/75000 chance of dying on any given day. 70-year-old males have a 1/15000 chance of dying on any given day. See https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
- nawgz 4y ago
  Edit: I do apologize, I typo'd. My ratio should have been 1 in 700k, not 1 in 15k > of dying or become incapacitated Sorry, I don't see any death in the logs, can you point me to recent aviation deaths that were caused by this? > or become incapacitated For instance, you have a ~1 in 366 chance of being in a car accident per 1000 miles driven. I think you should stay home more often, or learn more about probability.