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If you're going to count the US roles in interventions in Libya and Syria as "invading a sovereign country," it is only fair that you apply the same logic to Ru
by jcranmer 4y ago
If you're going to count the US roles in interventions in Libya and Syria as "invading a sovereign country," it is only fair that you apply the same logic to Russia. This means you have to at least include Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war--which is larger than the US role in Libya or Syria, natch--and arguably it is fair to include interventions in which Wagner is a major player, which includes Libya, Mali, and the Central African Republic.
- pphysch 4y agoThis is false. The Syrian government invited Russian assistance against the combined invading forces of US/Israel/Turkey/ISIS. Accepting an official invitation is by definition not an "invasion". Heck, Assad was in Moscow just days ago! You are out of your depth here.
- jcranmer 4y agoI used the terminology "intervention", and not "invasion", for a reason. If you're going to quibble, the US never sent any forces to Libya. France and the UK provided aerial support to a no-fly zone imposed by a UN resolution, with the US providing some naval support as well. So why does that qualify as an "invasion"? (Actually, if you really want to quibble, Russia has invaded Ukraine twice in the past decade--the Russian invasion of Crimea/Donbass in 2014 should probably be counted as distinct from the invasion effort starting in 2022, given that they provided very different levels of support and had very different material war aims.)
- pphysch 4y agoFYI, Russia also euphemises their "invasions" as "interventions". Which is more plausible when the target of your invasion shares a land border with you.
- yucky 4y ago> arguably it is fair to include interventions in which Wagner is a major player So then we need to include Blackwater and the like too? Well shit, we're well into the double digits now for US foreign "interventions".