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Do you realize how Orwellian it is that you cannot name some of the most prolific and brutal invasions that the #1 superpower has carried out during your own li

Do you realize how Orwellian it is that you cannot name some of the most prolific and brutal invasions that the #1 superpower has carried out during your own lifetime? This is basic historical literacy. Libya and Syria (ongoing) are the obvious ones you are missing. Anyways, I'm not going to play the "let's take turns justifying the illegal invasions of distant sovereign countries" game.

arp242 4y ago
United States never invaded Libya or Syria in the same way as Russia invaded Ukraine, or the US invaded Iraq. Both are essentially civil wars where the US was (and continues to be?) involved, but that's not the same thing as an invasion. You can dismiss it as a "game", but the reasons and specifics of the situation DO matter. A lot. Denying this means, for example, that the Nazi invasion of Poland is just the same as the allied invasion of Nazi Germany. After all, both are foreign invasions in a sovereign country. No reasonable person would agree these situations are the same; the invasion in to Nazi territory was horrible because all war is, but was, in the end, a good thing. The same cannot be said about the invasion of Poland.
- pphysch 4y ago
  When you aggressively invade and destroy the government of a sovereign country, there is chaos, a power vacuum and civil war. This is what Washington did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria (failed). Arguing that Washington technically didn't invade any of these countries because there were already internal tensions is laughably stupid (what has been happening in Donbass since 2014?). Kindly knock it off.
- yucky 4y ago
  "We came, we saw, he died" ~Hillary Clinton, speaking about our role using the CIA to oust Ghaddafi leading to his death by anal knifing and the resulting power vacuum that they still deal with today. Now in 2023 Libya has open air slave markets[1] and tons of missing uranium[2], another job well done. We have zero moral authority, that ship sailed decades ago. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/migrants-passing-through-libya-could-end-up-being-sold-as-slaves https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/... [2] https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/tons-uranium-missing-libyan-site-iaea-tells-member-states-2023-03-15/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/tons-uranium-mis...

arp242 4y ago

United States never invaded Libya or Syria in the same way as Russia invaded Ukraine, or the US invaded Iraq. Both are essentially civil wars where the US was (and continues to be?) involved, but that's not the same thing as an invasion. You can dismiss it as a "game", but the reasons and specifics of the situation DO matter. A lot. Denying this means, for example, that the Nazi invasion of Poland is just the same as the allied invasion of Nazi Germany. After all, both are foreign invasions in a sovereign country. No reasonable person would agree these situations are the same; the invasion in to Nazi territory was horrible because all war is, but was, in the end, a good thing. The same cannot be said about the invasion of Poland.

pphysch 4y ago
When you aggressively invade and destroy the government of a sovereign country, there is chaos, a power vacuum and civil war. This is what Washington did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria (failed). Arguing that Washington technically didn't invade any of these countries because there were already internal tensions is laughably stupid (what has been happening in Donbass since 2014?). Kindly knock it off.
yucky 4y ago
"We came, we saw, he died" ~Hillary Clinton, speaking about our role using the CIA to oust Ghaddafi leading to his death by anal knifing and the resulting power vacuum that they still deal with today. Now in 2023 Libya has open air slave markets[1] and tons of missing uranium[2], another job well done. We have zero moral authority, that ship sailed decades ago. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/migrants-passing-through-libya-could-end-up-being-sold-as-slaves https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/... [2] https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/tons-uranium-missing-libyan-site-iaea-tells-member-states-2023-03-15/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/tons-uranium-mis...