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Amazon has really done a number on what was a fun and useful platform for viewers and creators. It was totally "enshittened".

prox 4y ago
It still is fun, but the constant “our creators and viewers are the enemy of capitalization” is not a great tactic short or long term.
- jeffwask 4y ago
  I agree I still enjoy catching streams I just wish Mixer or one of the other platforms had fought longer to create real competition. You hit the nail on the head tho “our creators and viewers are the enemy of capitalization”. I think one of the problems with our current fiscal model of "year over year growth or die" is that some products have a ceiling before the only way to squeeze more is to hurt the overall experience for users.
  - jeffwask 4y ago
    If YouTube would only give half a fuck about improving the UI/UX and searchability of their streaming offerings.
quectophoton 4y ago
As one example, I can't even login to Twitch since a few months ago because "my browser is not supported". (EDIT to add: Tried with Firefox and Chromium, from both v3.17 and edge Alpine Linux repositories.) I don't know what kind of fingerprinting are they doing, but it's definitely not just user agent nor IP address nor browser version. I suspect they somehow detect that I'm using Alpine Linux (it's my main OS) and don't like it, because this doesn't happen on different distros. I think this started happening shortly after they got a massive amount of new accounts being created. Like, my account has existed for years, has MFA enabled, and has given them money frequently. But I can't login from my main device. Alright.
- mcmcmc 4y ago
  You didn't mention what browser you're using, seems like a key detail for "browser is not supported"
  - quectophoton 4y ago
    Neither Firefox nor Chromium work for me, from neither stable (v3.17) or edge Alpine Linux repositories. And back then when this started happening, I also could not login with Firefox from FreeBSD. But I can login with Firefox from my Steam Deck without any problems. I know musl libc has weird compatibility issues (e.g. Nvidia, Widevine, etc), but as far as I can see I have no other issues with the website; I can play streams, and I can see chat messages and stuff. It's only the login form that for some reason responds with an error when I try to login.
- jeffwask 4y ago
  > I think this started happening shortly after they got a massive amount of new accounts being created. Smells suspiciously like a hack to combat botnets.

prox 4y ago

It still is fun, but the constant “our creators and viewers are the enemy of capitalization” is not a great tactic short or long term.

jeffwask 4y ago
I agree I still enjoy catching streams I just wish Mixer or one of the other platforms had fought longer to create real competition. You hit the nail on the head tho “our creators and viewers are the enemy of capitalization”. I think one of the problems with our current fiscal model of "year over year growth or die" is that some products have a ceiling before the only way to squeeze more is to hurt the overall experience for users.
- jeffwask 4y ago
  If YouTube would only give half a fuck about improving the UI/UX and searchability of their streaming offerings.

quectophoton 4y ago

As one example, I can't even login to Twitch since a few months ago because "my browser is not supported". (EDIT to add: Tried with Firefox and Chromium, from both v3.17 and edge Alpine Linux repositories.) I don't know what kind of fingerprinting are they doing, but it's definitely not just user agent nor IP address nor browser version. I suspect they somehow detect that I'm using Alpine Linux (it's my main OS) and don't like it, because this doesn't happen on different distros. I think this started happening shortly after they got a massive amount of new accounts being created. Like, my account has existed for years, has MFA enabled, and has given them money frequently. But I can't login from my main device. Alright.

mcmcmc 4y ago
You didn't mention what browser you're using, seems like a key detail for "browser is not supported"
- quectophoton 4y ago
  Neither Firefox nor Chromium work for me, from neither stable (v3.17) or edge Alpine Linux repositories. And back then when this started happening, I also could not login with Firefox from FreeBSD. But I can login with Firefox from my Steam Deck without any problems. I know musl libc has weird compatibility issues (e.g. Nvidia, Widevine, etc), but as far as I can see I have no other issues with the website; I can play streams, and I can see chat messages and stuff. It's only the login form that for some reason responds with an error when I try to login.
jeffwask 4y ago
> I think this started happening shortly after they got a massive amount of new accounts being created. Smells suspiciously like a hack to combat botnets.