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This is not about overthrowing anything. Is about damage control. Maybe is safer for Linux to refuse to enter in this viper pit of sanctions and politics until

This is not about overthrowing anything. Is about damage control. Maybe is safer for Linux to refuse to enter in this viper pit of sanctions and politics until waters calm down a little. Specially in the same day that a team of covered Russian agents were caught in Poland planning several boycotts in NATO territory. The mistrust is not totally unreasonable at this moment. If I understand correctly, the Russian company proposed including a patch for their own hardware, so the Kernel can manage it. Are the CPUs created by this company banned so important for everybody to grant to be supported by the Linux team? Defying the international sanctions against the company could harm the image of the kernel project. What will be this CPUs used for? To help Russians evade the sanctions and keep the war longer? To save lives? To put it in a missile so they kill children faster?

pphysch 4y ago
If it's about real sanctions, they should say so. They don't even have to be that specific. Because right now it looks like a Polish/EE guy using geopolitical events as an excuse to bully his national enemies on the internet. It's a politically-correct "f__k off and never come back". Totally unprofessional.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  It doesn't even say "never come back", it says for the time being don't contribute, because of the organization you belong to, not because of who you are personally. And Jakub is saying that "we don't feel comfortable". Discomfort can be for multiple reasons, not all of which may be known to the person (or given the "we", possibly people) feeling uncomfortable. Asserting boundaries is rarely bullying. And I personally don't think this message, in the context we have here, rises past the level of asserting boundaries to bullying. Maintaining boundaries is a good thing that everyone has to learn to do, and have the fortitude to do. It's not easy.
  - pphysch 4y ago
    A professional reply would start like: "Thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, due to uncertainty surrounding sanctions associated with your organization, we cannot accept your patches (...)". This is not that. The key is that the onus is clearly on the sanctions themselves, not the uncomfortable feelings of a mysterious "we".
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      Ritual phrasing does not make something professional. And the lack of ritual phrasing doesn't make it unprofessional.
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      - pphysch 4y ago
        Making something about personal feelings, when it is ostensibly not, is textbook unprofessionalism. How can you not see that?
        anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        Because sociopaths are without expressive feeling, not professionals? If you've somehow learned, or have been taught, that professionalism means not emoting then you've been taught wrong IMO. Moderation in all things, including lack of emotion. "I don't feel comfortable leaving pertinent information out of our regulatory filing, even if it's technically not against the law to do so." Letting another person you are working with know that you are uncomfortable is the polite way to enforce personal boundaries in a professional, or personal, setting.
iavael 4y ago
> If I understand correctly, the Russian company proposed including a patch for their own hardware Not really. They proposed patches for network drivers for ethernet IP-core which was licensed from Synopsis, California. Most likely as a part of P5600 MIPS IP from Imagination. This IP core is not specific for Baikal SoCs and used in many products.

pphysch 4y ago

If it's about real sanctions, they should say so. They don't even have to be that specific. Because right now it looks like a Polish/EE guy using geopolitical events as an excuse to bully his national enemies on the internet. It's a politically-correct "f__k off and never come back". Totally unprofessional.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
It doesn't even say "never come back", it says for the time being don't contribute, because of the organization you belong to, not because of who you are personally. And Jakub is saying that "we don't feel comfortable". Discomfort can be for multiple reasons, not all of which may be known to the person (or given the "we", possibly people) feeling uncomfortable. Asserting boundaries is rarely bullying. And I personally don't think this message, in the context we have here, rises past the level of asserting boundaries to bullying. Maintaining boundaries is a good thing that everyone has to learn to do, and have the fortitude to do. It's not easy.
- pphysch 4y ago
  A professional reply would start like: "Thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, due to uncertainty surrounding sanctions associated with your organization, we cannot accept your patches (...)". This is not that. The key is that the onus is clearly on the sanctions themselves, not the uncomfortable feelings of a mysterious "we".
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    Ritual phrasing does not make something professional. And the lack of ritual phrasing doesn't make it unprofessional.
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    - pphysch 4y ago
      Making something about personal feelings, when it is ostensibly not, is textbook unprofessionalism. How can you not see that?
      - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        Because sociopaths are without expressive feeling, not professionals? If you've somehow learned, or have been taught, that professionalism means not emoting then you've been taught wrong IMO. Moderation in all things, including lack of emotion. "I don't feel comfortable leaving pertinent information out of our regulatory filing, even if it's technically not against the law to do so." Letting another person you are working with know that you are uncomfortable is the polite way to enforce personal boundaries in a professional, or personal, setting.

iavael 4y ago

> If I understand correctly, the Russian company proposed including a patch for their own hardware Not really. They proposed patches for network drivers for ethernet IP-core which was licensed from Synopsis, California. Most likely as a part of P5600 MIPS IP from Imagination. This IP core is not specific for Baikal SoCs and used in many products.