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Importantly, I'm in the US. The most common EVs on the road here are crossovers, the most common vehicles on dealer lots (EV or not) are crossovers and SUVs.

Importantly, I'm in the US. The most common EVs on the road here are crossovers, the most common vehicles on dealer lots (EV or not) are crossovers and SUVs. Small cars are very hard to find, small cars with AWD nearly impossible. My daily driver vehicle (Scion iQ) is the smallest production car in the US in the last 20 years, no longer sold here, and was originally designed for the EU market in the "city car" segment, a segment which basically does not exist in the US. Please point to a small, AWD, electric car I can buy in the US that isn't a Tesla (shit build quality).

skolos 4y ago
> shit build quality That's old news. If build quality is your only concern, I suggest you to check them again. They supposedly improved build quality significantly after initial rollout of M3. As a data point: my family owned and drove 6 different Teslas over last 3 years - we did not have build quality (or any other) issues with any of them. All recent horror stories you heard are because of current Tesla scale and media negative bias against the company - you don't hear similar stories from other manufacturers.
- tristor 4y ago
  I live in a city that has a heavy amount of Teslas, I can literally visibly see quality defects in panel construction on many, if not most, of these cars I see on the road and in parking lots. Every Tesla I've been in via Uber has had obvious defects in these ways. Maybe things have improved, but Tesla is nowhere near a company like Toyota or VW when it comes to even basic vehicle quality standards. It makes sense, they're a much newer operation and having to relearn how to do things using different processes and methods. This is something that personally annoys me to a high degree. All of my cars are paint-corrected and ceramic coated, not a single spider web or swirl to be found on them, and were initially bought new after I visually inspected them. FWIW, there are older car companies that have similar quality control issues (looking at you GM). I consider this sort of stuff to be a bellwether. If the company can't get the basics right, I don't trust anything else they have to say about their vehicles. There's a reason my cars historically are all made by Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW, and even then sometimes the manufacturers get harder to spot things wrong.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > Tesla is nowhere near a company like Toyota or VW when it comes to even basic vehicle quality standards Agreed. They're right about the same level as GM (as you mention later in your post). Though it depends on the model, too. The 3 has mostly been ironed out at this point, the Y still struggles a bit with weird build issues. > Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW That's a pretty wide range, to be honest, if reliability is the metric. Toyota is very boring and reliable, for sure. Honda is not anywhere near as reliable, they coast on the reputation afforded all the Japanese automakers. BMW and VW are ... well, German. VW in particular is probably not better than Tesla. If I wanted a reliable German car, I'd get a Porsche.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> The most common EVs on the road here are crossovers I'd bet lunch the most common EV is still the Model 3, though the Model Y is probably gaining ground on it (the Y has a little bit better sales than the 3, but the 3 has been around longer). I have the idea you're basically asking for an AWD Bolt, given the emphasis on small. I would like to see a dual motor Bolt too, but that'll never happen.

skolos 4y ago

> shit build quality That's old news. If build quality is your only concern, I suggest you to check them again. They supposedly improved build quality significantly after initial rollout of M3. As a data point: my family owned and drove 6 different Teslas over last 3 years - we did not have build quality (or any other) issues with any of them. All recent horror stories you heard are because of current Tesla scale and media negative bias against the company - you don't hear similar stories from other manufacturers.

tristor 4y ago
I live in a city that has a heavy amount of Teslas, I can literally visibly see quality defects in panel construction on many, if not most, of these cars I see on the road and in parking lots. Every Tesla I've been in via Uber has had obvious defects in these ways. Maybe things have improved, but Tesla is nowhere near a company like Toyota or VW when it comes to even basic vehicle quality standards. It makes sense, they're a much newer operation and having to relearn how to do things using different processes and methods. This is something that personally annoys me to a high degree. All of my cars are paint-corrected and ceramic coated, not a single spider web or swirl to be found on them, and were initially bought new after I visually inspected them. FWIW, there are older car companies that have similar quality control issues (looking at you GM). I consider this sort of stuff to be a bellwether. If the company can't get the basics right, I don't trust anything else they have to say about their vehicles. There's a reason my cars historically are all made by Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW, and even then sometimes the manufacturers get harder to spot things wrong.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > Tesla is nowhere near a company like Toyota or VW when it comes to even basic vehicle quality standards Agreed. They're right about the same level as GM (as you mention later in your post). Though it depends on the model, too. The 3 has mostly been ironed out at this point, the Y still struggles a bit with weird build issues. > Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW That's a pretty wide range, to be honest, if reliability is the metric. Toyota is very boring and reliable, for sure. Honda is not anywhere near as reliable, they coast on the reputation afforded all the Japanese automakers. BMW and VW are ... well, German. VW in particular is probably not better than Tesla. If I wanted a reliable German car, I'd get a Porsche.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> The most common EVs on the road here are crossovers I'd bet lunch the most common EV is still the Model 3, though the Model Y is probably gaining ground on it (the Y has a little bit better sales than the 3, but the 3 has been around longer). I have the idea you're basically asking for an AWD Bolt, given the emphasis on small. I would like to see a dual motor Bolt too, but that'll never happen.