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>Most environmental action being taken out seems to be exclusively acts of religious-like penance. I think people's metric for whether or not we're doing someth

>Most environmental action being taken out seems to be exclusively acts of religious-like penance. I think people's metric for whether or not we're doing something about the environment is "does this make day-to-day life harder than it was before?" It stands to reason that if it made people’s day to day life easier, people would likely already be doing it. >Only useless solutions that let college-educated Westerners pat themselves on the back like paper straws, plastic bag bans, complaining about gas stoves, etc. 1. The average westerner pollutes significantly more than the average person in a developing country. 2. All of those “useless” solutions are really just low hanging fruit that doesn’t really cause all that much disruption to day to day life. If not having plastic bags, straws, and gas stoves really causes that much distress, then you’re really living a life with very few problems.

inglor_cz 4y ago
"If not having plastic bags, straws, and gas stoves really causes that much distress, then you’re really living a life with very few problems." That sounds incredibly arrogant. So the default is that the banhammer should be swung around at will unless it causes outright critical problems? OK, give up half of the things you enjoy for marginal gains. And the gas stove campaign is pure hysteria. If gas stoves caused serious disease, we would have seen a massive population-wide correlation of gas stove use and disease much like we do in case of tobacco, lead, asbestos or alcohol consumption. Given that the gas stove is more than 120 years old and no pandemics of early deaths can be attributed to it, the whole thing may be just clickbait.
- comte7092 4y ago
  >That sounds incredibly arrogant. So the default is that the banhammer should be swung around at will unless it causes outright critical problems? Where did I say that.

inglor_cz 4y ago

"If not having plastic bags, straws, and gas stoves really causes that much distress, then you’re really living a life with very few problems." That sounds incredibly arrogant. So the default is that the banhammer should be swung around at will unless it causes outright critical problems? OK, give up half of the things you enjoy for marginal gains. And the gas stove campaign is pure hysteria. If gas stoves caused serious disease, we would have seen a massive population-wide correlation of gas stove use and disease much like we do in case of tobacco, lead, asbestos or alcohol consumption. Given that the gas stove is more than 120 years old and no pandemics of early deaths can be attributed to it, the whole thing may be just clickbait.

comte7092 4y ago
>That sounds incredibly arrogant. So the default is that the banhammer should be swung around at will unless it causes outright critical problems? Where did I say that.