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My rough understanding is that it is not a problem affecting Midjourney alone but pretty much all other engines as well and that it is not related to drawing ha

My rough understanding is that it is not a problem affecting Midjourney alone but pretty much all other engines as well and that it is not related to drawing hands per se but figuring out hands in the context of a human body. In other words, drawing an individual hand is not a problem, drawing a hand attached to a body could be challenging depending on the scene and drawing multiple human bodies with hands is virtually impossible to get right in one pass.

GaggiX 4y ago
Yes, the hands were not the only problem, perhaps the most obvious, the teeth were usually pretty bad too, they too have improved largely with Midjourney v5, I suggest going to the Midjourney subreddit to see the different results.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  It's easy to prompt for people with closed mouths and hands not visible, but with MidJourney at least, I would consistently get what I can only describe as "stuff on their face" with almost every prompt involving a human. Less often with white people, but even then pretty often. I mean, I just typed "/imagine asian warrior nun --v 4" into Discord, thinking of Beatrice from the recent Netflix series, and three of the four results show what I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/499QCn6.png https://i.imgur.com/499QCn6.png
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    I tried the same prompt but with "--v 5" instead, and got this: https://i.imgur.com/eElOkjU.png https://i.imgur.com/eElOkjU.png I only see "stuff on the face" in the third image, which I guess is an improvement. I'm not sure I'd call hands "fixed" based on this image alone, but they're better.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Similar issue exists for all networks that involve translation, despite the task, so classifiers, though I don’t know whether it has been resolved. With classifiers the issue is that if you place sufficient objects in space that co-occur the model will believe that it is a class with said objects, eg a face, but the problem is the relative positioning of them plus all angles of rotation. I think geometric deep learning has a solution for the rotation ia rotation invariant models, but I haven’t gone through that book yet.

GaggiX 4y ago

Yes, the hands were not the only problem, perhaps the most obvious, the teeth were usually pretty bad too, they too have improved largely with Midjourney v5, I suggest going to the Midjourney subreddit to see the different results.

pwinnski 4y ago
It's easy to prompt for people with closed mouths and hands not visible, but with MidJourney at least, I would consistently get what I can only describe as "stuff on their face" with almost every prompt involving a human. Less often with white people, but even then pretty often. I mean, I just typed "/imagine asian warrior nun --v 4" into Discord, thinking of Beatrice from the recent Netflix series, and three of the four results show what I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/499QCn6.png https://i.imgur.com/499QCn6.png
- pwinnski 4y ago
  I tried the same prompt but with "--v 5" instead, and got this: https://i.imgur.com/eElOkjU.png https://i.imgur.com/eElOkjU.png I only see "stuff on the face" in the third image, which I guess is an improvement. I'm not sure I'd call hands "fixed" based on this image alone, but they're better.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

Similar issue exists for all networks that involve translation, despite the task, so classifiers, though I don’t know whether it has been resolved. With classifiers the issue is that if you place sufficient objects in space that co-occur the model will believe that it is a class with said objects, eg a face, but the problem is the relative positioning of them plus all angles of rotation. I think geometric deep learning has a solution for the rotation ia rotation invariant models, but I haven’t gone through that book yet.