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I rescind my statement about there being no product from the US that has value and is unique, which would in turn spawn the need for non-software engineers. Pea

by mohene1 15y ago

I rescind my statement about there being no product from the US that has value and is unique, which would in turn spawn the need for non-software engineers. Peavey Amps is such a product. I don't accept the "we are too large excuse"...China is large and has unique products, but like I said the US does have unique products. I could have used better examples... But just to answer some side notes that were mentioned: First I am not talking about small two or three men teams of engineers, my post referred to engineering companies who can support a workforce as a result of consumer demand. >Yes, yes you still do Damn you MTBers :) This makes sense, we invented mountain biking so yes. I was focused more on companies who design, produce and research bikes here in the USA because this produces jobs. When I mentioned Schwinn, remember Schwinn employed 1000-2000 people. I consider Trek and Cannondale to be in the same level as Schwinn. Trek actually recruits mechanical engineers. Peavy Amps at one time recruited engineers, but the main question is "Does Catalinbread recruit engineers, et. al?" A lot of those companies are small offices with production coming from Taiwan or China so the impact on Engineers here in the US is minimal. > Germany is large too with different dialects Slightly different? Do you consider a Bavarian accent similar to a Schwebish accent? Let's not get lost... Anyway, does this smallness account for the fact that Germany has unique cultural products like certain varieties of rye bread, cheese, balsamic vinegar, or watches.

kahawe 15y ago
I have to say, I agree with your general resentment but I had to set those examples straight because they actually do not support your point. Most of those small, boutique shops probably don't recruit a lot of people, I am sure of that. But in turn they source material or services from other small/middle-sized companies, usually in the USA. But I guess most of that designing, producing and researching is going on in the software and electronics sector though examples like Apple show just how much they outsourced to China. Also, I am not sure how much R&D you have in the automotive industry or plant construction or petrochemistry or other more "classical" industries in the USA? There are definitely a lot of strong players in those fields over here, middle to large sized. Maybe those industries would make better examples for your article? > Anyway, does this smallness account for the fact that Germany has unique cultural products like certain varieties of rye bread, cheese, balsamic vinegar, or watches. Austria is even smaller, we still have at least as much variety of rye bread, beer, cheese, meat products, balsamic and other foods. Hobbits would probably go to Austria for all the food, beer and wine and our Gemütlichkeit! :) You will not find a country with that many different kinds of wine and there is a HUGE market for organic food, people there care about that much more than they do here in Germany. In Austria you will also find steel and saw mills, plant construction and automation, a TON of automotive engineering and manufacturing, also weapons manufacturing and the list could go on.... I think what accounts for it is rather the history and the fact that central Europe has always been one big melting pot for different cultures and people. But the USA, you are pretty damn heavy in the whole entertainment industry and all things IT, PC and software... and you still have Boeing, too. And the whole arms or arms-related industry! Disclaimer: I'm an Austrian working in Germany for a couple of years now... :)
- mohene1 15y ago
  Understood, my roommate vented every time someone misrepresented Germany or god forbid said "European". I do agree, I could have had a better transition with better examples and explanations why I used the examples.

by mohene1 15y ago

kahawe 15y ago

I have to say, I agree with your general resentment but I had to set those examples straight because they actually do not support your point. Most of those small, boutique shops probably don't recruit a lot of people, I am sure of that. But in turn they source material or services from other small/middle-sized companies, usually in the USA. But I guess most of that designing, producing and researching is going on in the software and electronics sector though examples like Apple show just how much they outsourced to China. Also, I am not sure how much R&D you have in the automotive industry or plant construction or petrochemistry or other more "classical" industries in the USA? There are definitely a lot of strong players in those fields over here, middle to large sized. Maybe those industries would make better examples for your article? > Anyway, does this smallness account for the fact that Germany has unique cultural products like certain varieties of rye bread, cheese, balsamic vinegar, or watches. Austria is even smaller, we still have at least as much variety of rye bread, beer, cheese, meat products, balsamic and other foods. Hobbits would probably go to Austria for all the food, beer and wine and our Gemütlichkeit! :) You will not find a country with that many different kinds of wine and there is a HUGE market for organic food, people there care about that much more than they do here in Germany. In Austria you will also find steel and saw mills, plant construction and automation, a TON of automotive engineering and manufacturing, also weapons manufacturing and the list could go on.... I think what accounts for it is rather the history and the fact that central Europe has always been one big melting pot for different cultures and people. But the USA, you are pretty damn heavy in the whole entertainment industry and all things IT, PC and software... and you still have Boeing, too. And the whole arms or arms-related industry! Disclaimer: I'm an Austrian working in Germany for a couple of years now... :)

mohene1 15y ago
Understood, my roommate vented every time someone misrepresented Germany or god forbid said "European". I do agree, I could have had a better transition with better examples and explanations why I used the examples.