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Seems to have worked fine for the USA government and its constituents for the past 300 years. As long as you ignore the plight of indigenous populations, most o

Seems to have worked fine for the USA government and its constituents for the past 300 years. As long as you ignore the plight of indigenous populations, most of the big problems have been caused by the incumbent populations, not the immigrants.

rayiner 4y ago
The USA is a completely different situation. When Germans and Scandinavian immigrants came, for example, they settled the Midwest and had their own space. Immigration to existing heavily populated places, like Italian immigration to NYC caused huge problems (like the Mafia). Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but america is completely ungovernable.
- legacynl 4y ago
  Wow, so because there was an italian mafia in NYC, you conclude from that that immigration to populated places is bad? As far as I know there were a lot of people trying to make money of selling booze during the prohibition-era, not just italian immigrants. > Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but america is completely ungovernable. There are a thousand reasons why the US is having a hard time politically right now, and none of them have to do with immigration. Do you have any more reasons for believing these things? Because if that's it, you're either willfully ignorant, or just very uninformed.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > Wow, so because there was an italian mafia in NYC, you conclude from that that immigration to populated places is bad? The Italian mafia was pretty bad! > As far as I know there were a lot of people trying to make money of selling booze during the prohibition-era, not just italian immigrants. Also Irish immigrants. It wasn’t just Italians and Irish, but Prohibition may well have succeeded without immigration. > There are a thousand reasons why the US is having a hard time politically right now, and none of them have to do with immigration. The country’s current problems are deeply rooted in immigration, going back all the way to the dramatic expansion of the federal government under FDR, which was made possible only due to immigrants’ voting patterns. That pattern of newcomers using their numbers to change the politics of the host country is tremendously destabilizing. > Do you have any more reasons for believing these things? Because if that's it, you're either willfully ignorant, or just very uninformed. I’m an immigrant so I have every reason to be predisposed to viewing immigration positively. However, my family also left our homeland to come here, so I’m pretty skeptical about cultural change. If I’m being objective, I can’t help but conclude that it creates economic benefits while being detrimental to long-term well being and democracy.

rayiner 4y ago

The USA is a completely different situation. When Germans and Scandinavian immigrants came, for example, they settled the Midwest and had their own space. Immigration to existing heavily populated places, like Italian immigration to NYC caused huge problems (like the Mafia). Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but america is completely ungovernable.

legacynl 4y ago
Wow, so because there was an italian mafia in NYC, you conclude from that that immigration to populated places is bad? As far as I know there were a lot of people trying to make money of selling booze during the prohibition-era, not just italian immigrants. > Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but america is completely ungovernable. There are a thousand reasons why the US is having a hard time politically right now, and none of them have to do with immigration. Do you have any more reasons for believing these things? Because if that's it, you're either willfully ignorant, or just very uninformed.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > Wow, so because there was an italian mafia in NYC, you conclude from that that immigration to populated places is bad? The Italian mafia was pretty bad! > As far as I know there were a lot of people trying to make money of selling booze during the prohibition-era, not just italian immigrants. Also Irish immigrants. It wasn’t just Italians and Irish, but Prohibition may well have succeeded without immigration. > There are a thousand reasons why the US is having a hard time politically right now, and none of them have to do with immigration. The country’s current problems are deeply rooted in immigration, going back all the way to the dramatic expansion of the federal government under FDR, which was made possible only due to immigrants’ voting patterns. That pattern of newcomers using their numbers to change the politics of the host country is tremendously destabilizing. > Do you have any more reasons for believing these things? Because if that's it, you're either willfully ignorant, or just very uninformed. I’m an immigrant so I have every reason to be predisposed to viewing immigration positively. However, my family also left our homeland to come here, so I’m pretty skeptical about cultural change. If I’m being objective, I can’t help but conclude that it creates economic benefits while being detrimental to long-term well being and democracy.