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My god, if Elon thinks he's the only one that can shake the industry, he needs to prepare for this one. 22k pounds for 450km of range, impressive exterior and

My god, if Elon thinks he's the only one that can shake the industry, he needs to prepare for this one. 22k pounds for 450km of range, impressive exterior and even better interior with an amazingly looking center console screen and hud. If this concept turns into reality, it's gonna be almost a better (or actually better, depending on your preferences) car than the model y standard range for half the price!

danw1979 4y ago
The Y has a gigantic boot, 970l - over double this. Somewhat apples and oranges comparison. Not throwing shade on the ID.2 though ! it looks great (apart from the weird shaped steering wheel and massive touchscreen). And typical hatchback cargo space for this price and range is great.
- lm28469 4y ago
  The price of the Y is also "over double this"
recuter 4y ago
> If this concept turns into reality, it's gonna be almost a better (or actually better, depending on your preferences) car than the model y standard range for half the price! This is magical thinking. Kudos to Volkswagen PR folks what can I say, mission accomplished. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Nils https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Nils (2011) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk7#e-Golf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk7#e-Golf (2013) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID._Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID._Buzz (2017) Are you new to car concept PR shenanigans? The limiting factor is batteries and being able to produce these things at scale. What Tesla is doing with its gigafactories and approach to batteries is something all the legacy car companies need to be doing and they need to get on that yesterday. 2024/5 is around the time Tesla will have a new range of cars and price drops and I can say this not because of blind optimism in Elon but because the physics and economics are starting to line up to enable that. For an in-depth analysis take a look at Munro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fe548XvavY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fe548XvavY tl;dr - the right way to build electric cars: In-house electronics. In-house batteries. In-house motors. 48v wiring. Gigacastings. Gigafactories. Vertical integration. VW, Toyota, 'etc all have engineers screaming for over a decade about all these things but other than PR fluff they are just not allowed to tackle the problem. Weird, but here we are.
- ranguna 4y ago
  VW has its own battery factory in Spain: https://youtu.be/3TaNKoYLGsQ https://youtu.be/3TaNKoYLGsQ @11:16 minute mark
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  VW has announced this week that they're spending $200B on Gigafactories etc. https://electrek.co/2023/03/14/vw-doubles-down-ev-strategy-with-200b-investment/ https://electrek.co/2023/03/14/vw-doubles-down-ev-strategy-w...
  - recuter 4y ago
    Awesome, best of luck to them, this is the way.
- specialist 4y ago
  > In-house electronics. Yes and: Software stack. (Sandy) Munro has mentioned this a few times. I struggle to imagine other vehicle mfgs successfully making their own software. My prediction is that one or more mfgs will adopt Apple's stack. Either thru partnership or licensing. Apple has cash to burn, so I think partnership, eg with Stellantis. Then they'd also get access to Apple's chips. As you surely know, legacy cars have dozens of electronic control units (ECUs), whereas Tesla has just a few chips/boards. Those ECUs use bespoke chips. And their supply was recently disrupted. Huge bummer. Two birds, one stone.
  - recuter 4y ago
    > Then they'd also get access to Apple's chips. Heh, no. Apple has absolutely no interest in becoming a tier 3 OEM supplier in the car industry and don't make those sort of chips to begin with. They are happy to cement their ecosystem by helping car makers integrate it into the infotainment screens but that is a far cry from what Tesla is doing.
    - specialist 4y ago
      But they're fine contracting w/ Stellantis (or equiv) to make their cars. A distinction without a difference.

danw1979 4y ago

The Y has a gigantic boot, 970l - over double this. Somewhat apples and oranges comparison. Not throwing shade on the ID.2 though ! it looks great (apart from the weird shaped steering wheel and massive touchscreen). And typical hatchback cargo space for this price and range is great.

lm28469 4y ago
The price of the Y is also "over double this"

recuter 4y ago

> If this concept turns into reality, it's gonna be almost a better (or actually better, depending on your preferences) car than the model y standard range for half the price! This is magical thinking. Kudos to Volkswagen PR folks what can I say, mission accomplished. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Nils https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Nils (2011) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk7#e-Golf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk7#e-Golf (2013) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID._Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID._Buzz (2017) Are you new to car concept PR shenanigans? The limiting factor is batteries and being able to produce these things at scale. What Tesla is doing with its gigafactories and approach to batteries is something all the legacy car companies need to be doing and they need to get on that yesterday. 2024/5 is around the time Tesla will have a new range of cars and price drops and I can say this not because of blind optimism in Elon but because the physics and economics are starting to line up to enable that. For an in-depth analysis take a look at Munro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fe548XvavY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fe548XvavY tl;dr - the right way to build electric cars: In-house electronics. In-house batteries. In-house motors. 48v wiring. Gigacastings. Gigafactories. Vertical integration. VW, Toyota, 'etc all have engineers screaming for over a decade about all these things but other than PR fluff they are just not allowed to tackle the problem. Weird, but here we are.

ranguna 4y ago
VW has its own battery factory in Spain: https://youtu.be/3TaNKoYLGsQ https://youtu.be/3TaNKoYLGsQ @11:16 minute mark
bryanlarsen 4y ago
VW has announced this week that they're spending $200B on Gigafactories etc. https://electrek.co/2023/03/14/vw-doubles-down-ev-strategy-with-200b-investment/ https://electrek.co/2023/03/14/vw-doubles-down-ev-strategy-w...
- recuter 4y ago
  Awesome, best of luck to them, this is the way.
specialist 4y ago
> In-house electronics. Yes and: Software stack. (Sandy) Munro has mentioned this a few times. I struggle to imagine other vehicle mfgs successfully making their own software. My prediction is that one or more mfgs will adopt Apple's stack. Either thru partnership or licensing. Apple has cash to burn, so I think partnership, eg with Stellantis. Then they'd also get access to Apple's chips. As you surely know, legacy cars have dozens of electronic control units (ECUs), whereas Tesla has just a few chips/boards. Those ECUs use bespoke chips. And their supply was recently disrupted. Huge bummer. Two birds, one stone.
- recuter 4y ago
  > Then they'd also get access to Apple's chips. Heh, no. Apple has absolutely no interest in becoming a tier 3 OEM supplier in the car industry and don't make those sort of chips to begin with. They are happy to cement their ecosystem by helping car makers integrate it into the infotainment screens but that is a far cry from what Tesla is doing.
  - specialist 4y ago
    But they're fine contracting w/ Stellantis (or equiv) to make their cars. A distinction without a difference.