Speaking as I find, no hyperbole intended, I meet CS graduates who have no comprehension of a CLI or anything but the most incomplete notion of how memory or ma

Speaking as I find, no hyperbole intended, I meet CS graduates who have no comprehension of a CLI or anything but the most incomplete notion of how memory or machine code works. I knew maths (and even history and modern language) students at university who had a complete and full understanding of these things and were also handy with a soldering iron and who could build a functional "computer" in a workshop as part of their degree -- utilising transistor logic. This is something you no longer see at most institutions today. I am sure it must be getting taught somewhere but it seems incredibly rare. By contrast, it was quite common when I was a student and was being done by people who weren't even doing CS as a subject. CS students today seem to know nothing other than Java and the IDE du jour -- and from lots of different institutions not just one. The best programmers I've met don't even have a CS degree (or even a degree) or they specialised in something utterly non-technical. But having logical, problem solving minds, they turned out to be first class coders -- usually because they had do develop something specific to help them do a certain job and they found the concepts easy. This was true of me, too.