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What diplomatic solution? Will you suggest we give the Russians part of Ukraine which isn't ours to give or shall we threaten the Ukrainians with starving them

What diplomatic solution? Will you suggest we give the Russians part of Ukraine which isn't ours to give or shall we threaten the Ukrainians with starving them of help and demand that they capitulate? Either option leaves millions subjugated and subject to "filtration", torture,privation and makes further conflict inevitable. They have specifically laid claim to a much broader territory than merely Ukraine and 150M people live in Independent nations they claim as their vassals. Even if such an agreement were possible and moral there is no reason to believe they should keep it.

EGreg 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements Read the the Minsk II agreement — all the provisions are super positive and constructive for everyone involved. It should have been implemented. Zelensky said never planned to honor it, just like Hamas never planned to honor previous agreements with Israel… went badly for Gaza, and the Gulf states sending weapons to Gaza only made things worse for the actual people living there. Gaza wouldn’t have received sanctions and a blockade if Hamas had actually implemented previous agreements. And same here: https://youtu.be/Mg4Jmnw3xQg https://youtu.be/Mg4Jmnw3xQg Zelensky ran on actually implementing peace with Russia and even started to, but the US and NATO and the Ukrainian far right very likely told him to cut it out, or else: https://www.eurasiareview.com/19092022-is-zelensky-afraid-of-far-right-chomsky-says-his-peace-platform-should-be-made-publicfor-the-first-time-oped/ https://www.eurasiareview.com/19092022-is-zelensky-afraid-of... You’re asking what the US could do? All we had to do is not get in the way. That’s all. But we blocked all peace agreements. So much for “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O10svZJ2Fps https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O10svZJ2Fps USA and UK did everything possible to make sure Ukraine would NOT make peace with Russia, and also that the European countries wouldn’t either. Including very likely blowing up the Nordstream I and II pipelines dealing a major blow to German industry and European energy in the short term. Swedes know who did it but are keeping mum. No one dares criticize the big daddy in the room.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  You are continuing your strategy of throwing chaff. I asked you what diplomatic solution can be put into play now. Neither side is looking for Minsk II at this juncture.

EGreg 4y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements Read the the Minsk II agreement — all the provisions are super positive and constructive for everyone involved. It should have been implemented. Zelensky said never planned to honor it, just like Hamas never planned to honor previous agreements with Israel… went badly for Gaza, and the Gulf states sending weapons to Gaza only made things worse for the actual people living there. Gaza wouldn’t have received sanctions and a blockade if Hamas had actually implemented previous agreements. And same here: https://youtu.be/Mg4Jmnw3xQg https://youtu.be/Mg4Jmnw3xQg Zelensky ran on actually implementing peace with Russia and even started to, but the US and NATO and the Ukrainian far right very likely told him to cut it out, or else: https://www.eurasiareview.com/19092022-is-zelensky-afraid-of-far-right-chomsky-says-his-peace-platform-should-be-made-publicfor-the-first-time-oped/ https://www.eurasiareview.com/19092022-is-zelensky-afraid-of... You’re asking what the US could do? All we had to do is not get in the way. That’s all. But we blocked all peace agreements. So much for “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O10svZJ2Fps https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O10svZJ2Fps USA and UK did everything possible to make sure Ukraine would NOT make peace with Russia, and also that the European countries wouldn’t either. Including very likely blowing up the Nordstream I and II pipelines dealing a major blow to German industry and European energy in the short term. Swedes know who did it but are keeping mum. No one dares criticize the big daddy in the room.

michaelmrose 4y ago
You are continuing your strategy of throwing chaff. I asked you what diplomatic solution can be put into play now. Neither side is looking for Minsk II at this juncture.